John Ramsey's '98 Interview...Things That Were "Strange" or "Out Of Place"

That's how it sounded to me too. Why were the Ramsey's making a huge deal out of Priscilla making little plates for everyone..including JB? This is just another way of them pointing the finger AWAY from themself...they would say or do anything to make somebody else, no matter WHO it was....look suspicious.

 

Thank YOU!

To be honest, I had never read all of JR's interview....I was looking over it, and saw some things that reminded me alot of Patsy..."That looks unusual"..."That is in a different place than I remember", "That is strange"....so, I just thought that I would post them, to make them easier to go back and refer to, if we needed to. Yeah, the cigar box....he doesn't remember THAT BOX. Patsy said the same thing about the Kleenex box that was on the table beside of the pineapple bowl, and tea glass.

 

You are welcome....

Now for the continuation.... :tsmile:

 

The Interrogation...

6 JOHN RAMSEY: And we came back to Boulder
7 and it was extremely difficult. Patsy, as we came
8 over that hill coming down the valley, Patsy broke
9 down in tears. We almost turned around and went
10 back to stay in Denver. But we were coming back to
11 help with how, you know, what we could help with.
12 And we sat down with Mike Bynum the next morning
13 and he said, (Look, there's something you aught to
14 know. Here's what the police are doing. And they
15 refuse to release your daughter's body for burial
16 until you came in for an interrogation.̃ And he
17 was in tears.
18 LOU SMIT: Now this was after June?
19 JOHN RAMSEY: This was after June. He said,
20 (I took care of it.̃ He said, (We had a lot of
21 shouting matches and it was taken care of. But you
22 need to understand these people are not your
23 friends.̃ So we kind of sat back and said, (whoa.̃
24 And that set the or reset our perception against,
25 I guess, of what was really going on. And so, then
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1 we offered -- I remember once offered -- we were
2 in very bad shape. We were in shock, we were on
3 medication. We went to bed at 6 o'clock at night.
4 And we offered -- until we finally worked out
5 we're okay. We're going to come in Wednesday
6 morning when the police came back and said, (No,
7 no, no. Six o'clock Friday night we want you to be
8 here alone.̃ We're not even capable of holding a
9 conversation that time of day. And it was, to us,
10 very obvious what they're trying to do.
11 And so this whole arena of trust just went
12 from, frankly, total trust on the morning of the
13 26th to zero trust by two weeks later. And it
14 never has gotten any better. And so it's been very
15 frustrating for us as we look at our daughter and
16 the life of the precious child that was lost and
17 we're dealing with all this pettiness. And then
18 one detective said, (Well, you know, there's a lot
19 of careers on the line here.̃ And my answer was,
20 (Careers? I don't even care about careers. And
21 that's the problem. Your motive is wrong.̃
22 But, you know, we've been hurt as much as
23 we can be hurt. Nobody can hurt us anymore. And
24 we've been hurt. Let's sit down and figure out who
25 the heck did this. But we never could seem to get
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1 to that point where there was an honest effort on
2 both parties' parts.
3 LOU SMIT: You know, gentlemen, I know this
4 is going to be a tough question. I'm kind of
5 winging it here. But some people even say that no
6 matter what, a parent would come in. even if you
7 were feeling bad. How do you answer that?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: We've made lot's of offers to
9 come in. the day after the 27th they came over the
10 Fernie's where we were staying, in horribly bad
11 shape. I slept on the floor that night and then we
12 did well to get up the next day.
13 The police came in and we sat and talked with
14 them. They said, (Well, you know, we really want
15 you to come down to the station for an interview.̃
16 We said, (Look, we will talk to you the following
17 morning. But we can't leave this sanctuary, this
18 home.̃ It was just beyond our mental capacity to
19 get up, get dressed, go out into the media frenzy,
20 which was starting to develop.
21 And there's always been that offer on our part.
22 And it was always rejected in the condition, in
23 such a manner that we said, look, these people are
24 up to no good as far as we're concerned.
25 So, yeah, if could have called out the National
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1 Guard, I would have, if it had been in power. That
2 was my first reaction that morning. Let's close
3 the airport, let's put up roadblocks. What we got
4 to do here? But I finally just lost total
5 confidence in the Boulder Police. There's no
6 sense. We stared our own investigation last summer
7 because we, we didn't think anybody else was
8 investigating the crime.
9 MIKE KANE: John's attorney said there were
10 certain conditions and they were put on. What
11 conditions are you talking about specifically so
12 we can --
13 JOHN RAMSEY: By the police?
14 MIKE KANE: Yeah.
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, on the 27th, they said,
16 (Well, we want you to come to the police station.̃
17 We said, (We're mentally not capable.̃ Our family
18 doctor was there. He said Patsy was in no
19 condition to leave this house. They said, (Well,
20 we've got to have you come to the police station.̃
21 I said why, he said, (Well we have records there
22 we want to pull out and look at.̃23 And we said, (We can't. If you come here we'll
24 spend as much time as you want. But we physically
25 cannot be there.̃ And that's when Mike Bynum
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1 stepped in and said, wait a minute, time out. And
2 he was there delivering food; he's a friend of
3 mine and he happened to be an attorney and he
4 smelled a rat, frankly.
5 LOU SMIT: Now this was while you were at
6 Fernie's?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
8 LOU SMIT: Is that the first time that you
9 contacted the lawyer, that they contacted you?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: He was there. He was bringing
11 food over from Pasta Jay's, and just happened to
12 be there when the police were trying to haul us
13 down to the police station, and he said time out.
14 He took me inside and he said, (John, there's some
15 things going here. Would you allow me to do what I
16 think is necessary?̃ and I said, (Of course.̃
17 LOU SMIT: And what did he do, John?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember, but you'd
19 have to ask him, I guess. But I suspect what he
20 did is take the police aside and say, stop. You
21 cannot do what you're doing to these people. And
22 he arranged to bring Bryan in and Pat and were
23 just kind of on autopilot there. And frankly,
24 skeptical, why did we need to do this.
25 But as time went on we became more and more
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1 confused of what the police trying to do. They
2 were trying to put a square peg in a round hole,
3 and we're the square peg. And, you know, it was an
4 extremely frustrating time for us. It still is.
5 Cause we know we didn't do it; there's a killer
6 out there.


It was ALL about THEM and THEIR CONDITIONS.

 

McSanta

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, he claimed to be very
6 frail and the reason that Mrs. Claus came was
7 because he was so frail. And she struck me as just
8 kind of there. She wasn't really into it or
9 particularly open. And I just accepted the fact
10 that she probably didn't really want to be there,
11 but was there because he was so frail that she had
12 to be there to help him. I think that was the
13 first year she ever came.

McReynolds CLAIMED to be very frail? Couldn't you tell by looking at him, John, that McReynolds WAS very frail. He was an old man, for crying out loud. John, again...insinuating that McReynolds COULD have been the killer, because he CLAIMED to be very frail.

 

The Basement Light...

9 JOHN RAMSEY: With the lights off at night
10 it would have been hazardous because there's a lot
11 of junk piled in here. This door was kind of
12 blocked with boxes and a little chair. And you
13 could move the chair and then walk right in. But
14 it would have been pitch black; it would have been
15 tough.

John says in the earlier part of this interview that he believes that the intruder climbed out the window, in which he came....using the suitcase to hoist himself up. How did he SEE? The flashlight that he supposedly used was on the kitchen counter, wiped clean of prints. If he had of turned on the lights, to be able to see to leave....how did he manage to turn them off again, if he was outside of the house? Was he a magician?

 

More about the Blanket...

9 LOU SMIT: Okay. What do you actually see
10 now,
11 I mean see in this room?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: Well I see a white blanket
13 that's folded across her body neatly.
14 LOU SMIT: It was neatly folded across the
15 body?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
17 LOU SMIT: Now describe that just a little
18 bit? Was it --
19 JOHN RAMSEY: She was laying on the blanket.
20 LOU SMIT: Was it laying on the back?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. On the back. The blanket
22 was caught up around and crossed in front of her
23 as if somebody was tucking her in.


Now WHY would an intruder wrap her like that??

 

A Papoose

8 MIKE KANE: All right. Okay. Now, when you
9 went inside to that room, you described the
10 blanket. And you said it was folded like -- I'm
11 just trying to get a mental picture of it. Was it
12 like --
13 JOHN RAMSEY: It was like an Indian papoose.
14 MIKE KANE: Okay.
15 JOHN RAMSEY: You know, the blanket was under
16 her completely. It was brought up and folded over
17 like
18 that.

 

"Claimed to be frail..."

“Well, he claimed to be very frail…â€

Yea, right, John! That old, tough, strong, full-bodied, muscled man, CLAIMED to be frail. What a laugh! Thanks to you, we now know that he was actually a student of Charles Atlas, and underneath that red, fussy Santa garb, he was akin to Rambo. Yes, indeed, Johnny. You struck gold here, with your assessment of McRenolds. What a ruse! Pretending to be old and frail; all the while being capable of lifting a hundred pound bar bell. However did the Detectives miss that one? Yea, Johnny, what a brilliant catch. I guess that not so subtle observation was one of your ding-dong lies that stuck!
Geeze! What fun future crime historians will have with that one. LOL.
J.R., you are shameful, disgraceful, obnoxious and very disgusting!
(And, you CLAIM to be innocent! Ha!)

Thank you, Ames, for bringing this to our attention.
GL

 

Back to things that were out of place...the kleenex box.

15 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like it. This
16 was like in -- Patsy would know. I'm not sure why
17 a Kleenex box is there either. That's not normal
18 for a Kleenex box.
19 LOU SMIT: What do you say about that?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I guess it doesn't
21 belong on the kitchen table. I don't know where it
22 came from, but that's now it aught to be.

Patsy also pointed out that the kleenex box was not hers, she didn't buy that kind, and it was the wrong shape. She normally used the square boxes, because they took up less room. Maybe the VA people left it there, who knows??

 

But, you know, we've been hurt as much as
23 we can be hurt. Nobody can hurt us anymore. And
24 we've been hurt.

Oh, really. Who was hurt? Who was killed? Nobody can hurt US anymore? Guess he was channeling his dead DAUGHTER at that point...NOT. They are SO HURT because the police want them to come in and give a statement??? And yet, their dear little six-year-old daughter's body is lying on a slab in the coroner's morgue...but THEY are SO HURT...

What unbelievable evil.

 

The Dark Basement...

1 LOU SMIT: Now you say that the time that
2 you went into this window, that was nighttime?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
4 LOU SMIT: And you say it was about 11:30 at
5 night? Obviously it would be dark at that time?
6 What's your recollection of the difficulty of
7 getting into the house then?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Well I guess I remember the
9 unknown harm is when you drop the last foot or two
10 in the basement. Because that basement room is
11 always kind of a mess. You're not quite sure what
12 you're going to land in.
13 Once I was in the basement I could find my way to
14 the door. The light switch is over by the door. So
15 you got to be careful because there's a lot of
16 junk in there.
17 LOU SMIT: But you could make your way
18 around? Would you be able to even see?
19 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I remember being able
20 to see real well, I think. Cause there's not
21 (INAUDIBLE) light in that basement room. So unless
22 there was light left on or something in one of the
23 rooms you wouldn't have been --

Then how did the intruder see to enter and exit the home?

 

It's NOT NORMAL for a Kleenex box to be in the kitchen??? Huh? I keep a tissue box in the kitchen at all times. What world does he live in, and why would anyone try to cast suspicion through a random tissue box? It just makes them both look like idiots. Also, one tissue box out of place in THAT HOUSE??? Oh, yeah, I'm sure John noticed every little crumb out of place and cleaned up on a regular basis. "A place for everything, and everything in its place..." Too bad that little JonBenet's place was in the ground.

 

You are welcome...

And John CLAIMS to be innocent....LOL...that was a GOOD ONE!

 

Yep, it was ALL about THEM! They were so hurt, that they couldn't go and be interrogated, in hopes of finding their daughter's killer. They were just NOT EMOTIONALLY ready. Give me a break....

 

Yep, and like I said before...go back and read my thread..."Patsy's Interview...Things That Were Out Of Place"....she says that the kleenex box wasn't hers...and that she didn't know where it came from.

 

The Elevator Door?!?!

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. The thing that always
6 puzzled me was, when we had the house living room
7 was all done and we were trying to get it back
8 together, we kept talking about that we needed to
9 replace the closet doors that's damaged in the
10 basement. Couldn't fix it. I can remember what
11 closet door was damaged.
12 Apparently I finally found it; Ellis had cut in
13 half. But I think it was either this door or this
14 door. It was a heavy door. Because we had an
15 elevator here and we took it out.
16 LOU SMIT: Right. Right.
17 JOHN RAMSEY: And it was one of those
18 heavy doors. And I was very curious as to what
19 were they talking about the door was damaged, they
20 had to replace it. And I looked at that door in
21 Ellis's office and it was slit. But it didn't look
22 like it was -- I mean my suspicion was, that it
23 was an elevator door that you can open from the
24 outside but I don't think you can open it from the
25 inside. So I was just wondering that if something
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1 got in there and couldn't get out, did they --
2 LOU SMIT: Push it.
3 JOHN RAMSEY: -- push and break it open.
4 It didn't look like that to me. But paneling was
5 split. But I couldn't tell what was going on
6 around the latch. But that was very perplexing to
7 me. Whey was that door damaged? Because it was not
8 damaged, to my knowledge.


So, I guess the intruder got trapped on the other side of what used to be an elevator door, and couldn't get out, so he split it?

 

Kleenex

Hey, it's easy to figure out why the intruder brought a box of kleenex with him. He knew that the murder would probably make him cry, for pete's sake, and he prepared himself, by bringing a box of kleenex!

Geeze! That's an easy one to figure out.

GL

 

Heart Drawn On JB's Hand...

7 LOU SMIT: Okay. Because that is important
8 that we know that.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: But I don't think she would
10 have drawn a heart on her hand. The trouble with
11 that piece of information, which is very bizarre.
12 Something is amiss there.
13 LOU SMIT: Okay. So we can investigate
14 that
15 there.
16 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE)
17 JOHN RAMSEY: The person who did this
18 obviously (INAUDIBLE) clues to tantalize us. And
19 that's just another one (INAUDIBLE).

If an intruder was trying to "tantalize" you John, I believe that they could think of a better way, than to draw a heart on your daughter's hand. The picture of the heart, to me...looks faded, and child drawn. It had probably been there for days. Even Patsy said that Daphne could have drawn it. But...its "very bizarre"...and someone is leaving "clues to tantalize us". OH PUHLEEZZZZZ.

 

Yeah, Yeah...that's what happened...he apparently brought in a suitcase full of stuff, to use in the murder of "that child'.