John Ramsey's '98 Interview...Things That Were "Strange" or "Out Of Place"

So you'll have something to think about dingdong.
:did: Just kidding Paradox.

 

Excellent points Greenie. You words posted below deserve to be repeated.
I gotta say, perhaps John and Patsy were not the IT couple they wanted everyone to believe they were. Neither of them sounded too bright during the interviews.
And good lord, what was Smit's training? He should be ashamed of himself. Only a simple man would accept the "I swear to God I didn't do it" as someone's complete innocence.

 

Let's Blame Fleet....

9 LOU SMIT: I wanted to direct your attention,
10 if you could, John. This photograph 71, and
11 especially in the entryways there and into the
12 various rooms. Now this must have been taken
13 fairly early on the morning of the 26th.
14 Can you describe what you see there? Is there
15 anything out of place or is there anything
16 different from the way you remember it. Because
17 you said you went down into that area.
18 JOHN RAMSEY: What is difference is, I
19 think that the door is blocked by this drum table.20 Here's the chair I said was brought to the door.
21 And it's not. I moved the chair to get into the
22 door.
23 If this was taken before I was down there -- well
24 I put it back. When I went down there, that chair
25 was kind of blocking that entrance right there.
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1 And there was something else on the other side,
2 whatever it was. But all I had to do was move that
3 chair, then I walked into the room.
4 LOU SMIT: That's the first time down?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. In this picture here,
6 I would have had to move that drum table and the
7 Easter basket in that room. So that's different.
8 LOU SMIT: So you say that that's been moved.
9 Which way would you say that's been moved?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember the Easter
11 baskets there at all. But it would have had to
12 have been moved. The drum table was over, and the
13 chair was also blocking the door.
14 LOU SMIT: So do you think that the chair
15 would block the door and nobody would have gotten
16 in there without moving it?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Correct.
18 LOU SMIT: In other words, let's say
19 that the intruder goes into the training room,
20 gets out, let's say, that window?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
22 LOU SMIT: How in effect would he get
23 that chair to block that door, if that is the
24 case, is what I'm saying?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know. All I'm saying
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1 is, that is different than when I went down there.
2 LOU SMIT: Okay, let's say that you go down
3 there?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm. All I want to show
5 is that that chair was kind of sitting right in
6 here, and there was something else here. I don't
7 know what it was. It could have been that
8 (INAUDIBLE).
9 LOU SMIT: You go down, that's what you see?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: I go down, I say, ooh, that door
11 is blocked. I move the chair and went in the room.
12 LOU SMIT: So you couldn't have gotten in
13 without moving the chair?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Correct.
15 LOU SMIT: And the door was opened or closed?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: It was opened.
17 LOU SMIT: The door was opened?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: correct.
19 LOU SMIT: Okay.
20 JOHN RAMSEY: In that picture, it looks like
21 -- I came in on this side of the door (INAUDIBLE)
22 and would have had to remove that drum table and
23 the Easter basket.
24 MIKE KANE: Which side are you talking about?
25 The inner side or the lock side?
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1 JOHN RAMSEY: If I had the door open it
2 must be the lock side. That chair was right there
3 when I went down there, on the lock sided of the
4 door.
5 MIKE KANE: On the opposite the hinges.
6 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. And I moved it and
7 entered the room. And in that picture --
8 LOU SMIT: And you don't know if you were
9 the first one down there?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: I thought I -- Well the police,
11 they probably went through the house a bit. I
12 don't know where they went. I heard later that
13 Fleet White claimed he went through the basement
14 alone. I don't know if that was before or after I
15 did alone.

So FLEET must have moved all of that stuff?? Yeah, okay...John. Let's see who ELSE we can point the finger at. McReynolds "CLAIMED to be frail"...and Fleet, could have moved those things around in the basement. Why would he have done that??

 

The Chair....The Intruder was a "CLEVER" magician.

22 LOU SMIT: But when you went to the train
23 room, you had move these things in order to get
24 into the train room?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. I had to move the chair.
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1 LOU SMIT: The thing I'm trying to figure
2 out in my mind then is, if an intruder went
3 through the door, he'd almost have to pull the
4 chair behind him.
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. That's correct.
6
7 LOU SMIT: Because that would have been
8 his exit?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay.
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It was blocked. He'd
12 have to move something to get into the room.
13 LOU SMIT: And he would have had to move
14 it back, if he was in there trying to get out, is
15 that correct?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
17 LOU SMIT: So that's not very logical as
18 far as --
19 JOHN RAMSEY: I think it is. I mean if this
20 person is that bizarrely clever to have not left
21 any good evidence, but left all these little funny
22 little clues around, they certain are clever
23 enough to pull the chair back when they left.
24 LOU SMIT: But it was your impression that
25 that chair was blocking that door?
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1 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. The chair and something
2 else. But it certainly wasn't the Easter baskets.
3 They were sitting there on the drum table. So I
4 never touched them. I just moved the chair and
5 went in.

I have noticed that John refers to this "intruder" as "clever"....several times in this 98 interview. One of the times, is when he is talking about the RN...and he says it several more times after that. Would you refer to your daughter's killer as "cleaver". I can think of alot of descriptions for him, but "cleaver" sure wouldn't have been one of them.

Also, I agree with Smit here....how did the intruder put that chair back...and WHAT purpose would it have served? Intruder: "Now, if I can just figure out a way to magically pull this chair behind me and place it here to block the door, maybe, just maybe...they want look in here for her body".

 

The Garrotte....a "twister"?

11 LOU SMIT: So just one more area. Everybody
12 has heard about -- I can't say that. What have you
13 heard about a paint tray?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Just what I read, or tried
15 not to read. But can't help but hear the media
16 that tell us a broken paintbrush that was used as
17 part of the -- you see, I found JonBenet. I never
18 saw a cord or that sort of thing. I thought I saw
19 a cord, but I didn't focus on it or realize there
20 was anything in the way of a twister, which
21 apparently it was.
22 It apparently was a paintbrush. And that's based
23 on what I heard in the media. That's my
24 impression. That's all I really heard.

A "TWISTER"? I have never ever heard of these things referred to as a "twister". Maybe John knows alot more about these things, than he is letting on!!!

"I never saw a cord or that sort of thing. I thought I saw a cord, but didn't focus on it....."
What? Makes absolutely NO sense at all.

 

His responses are just like Patsy's - contradictory and confusing. The reason he sounds stupid is because he is weighing and measuring his comments, trying to say something while saying essentially nothing, and throwing suspiscion onto other people at the same time. It's hard to do the first part of that, and harder still to add in trying to incriminate others.

19 JOHN RAMSEY: I think it is. I mean if this
20 person is that bizarrely clever to have not left
21 any good evidence, but left all these little funny
22 little clues around, they certain are clever
23 enough to pull the chair back when they left.

The quote about the murdered leaving "funny little" clues has always freaked me out. What, John, is FUNNY about your daughter being murdered? Did you think you were on a treasure hunt or something? "Now, find 3 bobby pins. Next, go and find a dead girl in your basement. When you have found her, find a glass that's had tea in it...." etc. etc.

And clever is a GOOD adjective, not one that would apply to a kidnapper/murderer. He can't help himself, he's paying himself a compliment unconsciously. He thinks he is pretty clever, overall. He can't describe the murderer as a beast, an animal, Satan, sick, disgusting, etc. because he doesn't think he is any of those things, nor Patsy either. He never has talked about the murderer in terms that make sense given the nature of the crime.
:devil:

 

He THINKS he lost Beth In January?

14 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we actually that was
15 fairly well in advance. We had never been on a
16 cruise. Christmas is a tough time for us because I
17 think we lost Beth in January, and we liked to
18 kind of have things to do and planned.

It's pretty sad when you can't remember for sure, the month that you own child died.

 

It's the Same GUY....it has to be....

1 JOHN RAMSEY: I feel like we've exhausted
2 almost everything that we can do. I have racked my
3 brain everyday as to who could have possibly have
4 done this. What does the note mean, what does SBTC
5 mean. All these little clues that were left for
6 us.
7 I think there is a -- I don't want to comment on
8 that. I don't know how that is, because I don't
9 know. But we do live here. I look at the Susan
10 Chase thing. She's two days before Christmas
11 bludgeoned in the head. No great clues. It's the
12 same guy.13 A month ago there was a woman, probably not
14 murdered because somebody interrupted him. Again
15 I read it in the paper, blocks from my house. Same
16 guy. It's got to be.
17 MIKE KANE: Why is that?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Head injuries. Strong, you know,
19 physical abuse to the woman; huge physical abuse.
20 Susan Chase was a beautiful blond child, just like
21 JonBenet. Somebody said these serial killers start
22 out with children and get more aggressive. You
23 guys would know that better than I do.


So its the same guy...that killed Susan Chase, JB, and TRIED to kill this woman. So now John is a psychic.

 

Susan Chase was a college student, not a child. The police must have known at that point that John was grasping at straws. When perps start trying to pull together cases that are totally unrelated, they are screaming to the cops, "I'M GUILTY AS HOME-MADE SIN!"

 

Its McReynolds, No...its Fleet White, No...its a serial Killer...no...its Priscilla.

4 MIKE KANE: Last July, I think it was, that
5 you (INAUDIBLE) and I think at that point you said
6 that you had been thinking about it about, once
7 again, the possibility of a woman, and you had
8 thought Priscilla White. (INAUDIBLE), the fat cat
9 thing.
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. We went back to Douglas's
11 analysis that it's somebody you know; it's
12 somebody that's been in the house; it's somebody
13 that's hanging with you who's jealous. And if I
14 put that box around it, and what was subsequently
15 extremely bizarre behavior on both their parts.

In the earlier part of this interview...he mentioned a murder of another young, blonde girl and an attempted murder of a woman...saying that because they were both hit in the head...like JB....it HAD TO BE THE SAME GUY. Well, now, he is saying that it was someone that he knew....and even had considered Priscilla. He can't have it both ways...either its a serial killer, or someone that they knew...unless Priscilla, Fleet or McReynolds, are serial killers, then this doesn't make sense. He can't make up his mind who he wants to pin the blame on.

 

I am done for now...I need to eat lunch...

Yep, he was grasping at straws. Pulling every name out of the hat, that he could think of....blaming everyone from a serial killer, to their best friends. I am surprised that he didn't blame the Pastor of his church....or did he? Maybe he DID blame HIM too....he tried to point the finger at everybody else, so I wouldn't be surprised if he pointed the finger at his own Pastor.


I have to go and eat lunch...I will be back later, picking apart the rest of John's interview. cguru:

 

"Funny little clues..."

JOHN RAMSEY: I think it is. I mean if this
20 person is that bizarrely clever to have not left
21 any good evidence, but left all these little funny
22 little clues around, they certain are clever
23 enough to pull the chair back when they left.

“Funny little clues around…â€

Yea, John, these ever so ordinary things only become “funny little clues†when you strive (mightily) to point them out as “clues†which you think dismisses you as a possible suspect. If ever the line, “Methinks thou protests too vigorously,†applies to a particular individual, it is here; it is now; and it is you, Johnny, the Ram Spinner and Justice Dodger. If anyone is trying to put a square peg into a round hole, it is you!
“Oh, that chair is out of place; Look! The door is ajar when it shouldn’t be; I don’t remember that being there; Those cigars look odd; I don’t remember having them; Fleet White should be looked at more carefully, bla, bla, bla, bla!â€
You are up to your eyeballs in lies, Mr. John.
Only the most ignorant and uninformed would lend credence to your wild ramblings.
GL

 

Oh, right. A 23-year-old woman with blond hair gets called a "child." How about your special friend Beth Holloway, John? She has blond hair, and her mother is still alive. Does that mean you are dating a "child," John? If Twitty were found dead tomorrow, would you say she and JonBenet were just like each other, too? And what does that say for your lack of ability to make a distinction as to what age you consider a "child" to be?

Note: Beth Holloway, at seventeen years younger than John, is societally young enough to be John's daughter. I leave it to the reading audience to decide what this says about John's tastes in blond females young enough to be his children.

 

Priscilla was jealous of Patsy..SOOO..she must be the killer..

9 MIKE KANE: What about Priscilla? I think
10 you said (INAUDIBLE)?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Always when there was tending
12 to the children, he was the mom. I mean, he took
13 care of the kids. He was a stay home dad. He
14 wanted to have more kids and Priscilla didn't want
15 to have anything to do with it. He just seemed
16 very attentive to the kids.
17 (INAUDIBLE) if I narrowed that box down any
18 further to, I would pick Priscilla.
19 MIKE KANE: You think she was less (INAUDIBLE)?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Only because it would be
21 very hard for me to believe that Fleet would do
22 such a thing.
23 MIKE KANE: You're saying that it wouldn't
24 be hard that Priscilla would though?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Less hard. And there's a lot
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1 of data that flowed in afterwards to us from
2 friends that said, you know, Priscilla was very
3 jealous of Patsy. And they made a comment that
4 they'd rather eat glass than live in a house like
5 Rod Westmoreland's. It was hatred for wealth. It
6 was like strange stuff that was coming out, coming
7 back.


So, Priscilla must be the killer, because she was jealous of Patsy and hated wealthy people....oh, now THERES a good reason to kill someone's child. Give me a flippin' break. Let's not forget that it WAS Priscilla's and Fleet's house that they went to for the Christmas party...and that John and Patsy have both said, that they believe that the intruder came into their house, while they were at the party, and hid. WELL...don't cha think that someone would have noticed that the HOST had left?? "Gee....Fleet, where'd Priscilla go?" Fleet: "Gosh, darn it...I really don't know...she was JUST here, handing out plates of cracked crab to the kids". "Maybe she snuck out, hoping that nobody would notice, and she is over hiding at the Ramsey's, so that when they go to sleep, she can kill JonBenét, because you know...she is REALLY jealous of Patsy".

 

The Intruder was CLEVER...

23 JOHN RAMSEY: Well that's evidence that I
24 didn't write it; Patsy didn't write it. The
25 handwriting experts have said Patsy or I didn't
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1 write it. Our guys have said on a scale of one to
2 five, Patsy is 4.5 five against not writing it.
3 I think that whoever did this is very, very insane
4 and clever. Because it looks different as well as
5 some other stuff we've seen. So I think they were
6 teasing us.
7 MIKE KANE: By leaving the (INAUDIBLE)?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Just like these all these
9 other little clues you see being left around?
10 MIKE KANE: Teasing you or teasing the police?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Teasing all of us.

Keep in mind that this is the SECOND reference to the RN, and John saying that the author was CLEVER. I didn't post the first time that he said it, because I had started out, looking for things that were "out of place". So, I have counted four times, so far...that he has used the word clever.

The intruder is "teasing" him? Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah.....my dad can beat up your dad. :nyah:

 

Slow Death...

2 MIKE KANE: The autopsy report, have you
3 seen it?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
5 MIKE KANE: You haven't seen it?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I have not. I can't look at
7 that.
8 MIKE KANE: Okay. Have you discussed in general
9 what's in there, in general?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Very little. It's hard to discuss
11 with her accidentally (INAUDIBLE).
12 MIKE KANE: What would that be?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: That there was her skull
14 fracture; that there were abrasions in her pubic
15 area; two of her organs were swollen which
16 indicated a slow death.

I have somehow missed this....what two organs of hers, was swollen??

 

Bruises in the pubic area??

17 MIKE KANE: Did you do your own investigation
18 into this? Did you have any experts look into
19 those -- like you said there were bruises in the
20 pubic area?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know if we did.
22 MIKE KANE: I mean here, now?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: I know. No, not to my knowledge


There was bruises in the pubic area. Is he talking about AROUND it, or inside of it? And WHY didn't John and Patsy hire some experts to look into that, a little more closely??

 

John on the bedwetting issue.

19 LOU SMIT: Would there have been anything
20 -- I know there was a bedwetting problem or
21 something. And they do have certain kinds of
22 devices for bedwetting to avoid the leak. I don't
23 know what that means. But anything on that ever
24 occurred that you recall?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: I mean we read about that,
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1 and of course, I don't know if JonBenet had a
2 bedwetting problem; I'm not sure she did. I think
3 all kids wet their beds; I know my older kids
4 certainly did. The kids used to wear these all
5 night pampers or whatever they were called. I
6 wouldn't classify it as a bedwetting problem that
7 I was aware of.
8 MIKE KANE: You weren't aware of one?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
10 MIKE KANE: I guess that's relative term,
11 a bedwetting problem. And I don't mean to define
12 it, but just for our purposes here, let's define
13 it as once a week.
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Okay.
15 MIKE KANE: Let's say that is a problem.
16 Were you aware whether under that definition that
17 maybe once a week or more that she would wet the
18 bed?
19 JOHN RAMSEY: I wasn't even aware of that.20 But I think that wouldn't be at all abnormal.

John didn't know about a bedwetting problem...but the housekeeper did??

 

JOHN RAMSEY: JonBenet had to have to
4 have been very tired that night. She'd been up
5 early for Christmas. They had been playing all
6 day. It was just the whole day. She was absolutely
7 sound asleep when I put her to bed. And I can't
8 imagine her to have even gotten up to go to the
9 bathroom.
10 LOU SMIT: Even after she had gone to bed,
11 would she have get up and drink anything
12 (INAUDIBLE)?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: No. I don't know for sure.
14 Burke does now, but I don't know that she did it.

Well, if she was too tired to get up and go to the bathroom....then that would be why she WET the bed that night....followed by a raging Patsy. It's all becoming way to clear to me now.

 

Patsy did the laundry...?

15 MIKE KANE: Who usually did the laundry?
16 (INAUDIBLE) I always have.
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy usually does it.
18 Yeah, she usually does it. We had a cleaning lady
19 would come once or twice a week, but I don't know
20 if she did the laundry.

I thought that Patsy said in her interview that her HK did most of the laundry. If Patsy did the laundry, then she would have known that white blanket was in the dryer. I believe thats where it was....and NOT on JB's BED..because it had gotten wet the night before, and had been washed, along with the Barbie nightgown. The Barbie nightgown got balled up in the blanket as it was turning in the dryer. The Ramsey's didn't know that the nightgown was left with JB's body...they didn't realize that it had came out with the blanket. That's why, in one of John's interviews...he states...that he blanket "wasn't supposed to be there".