John Ramsey's '98 Interview...Things That Were "Strange" or "Out Of Place"

Plastic Sheets...

18 MIKE KANE: Okay. Her bed apparently had
19 a plastic wrap around. Were you aware of it?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: I mean, it doesn't surprise me as
21 what we would have done.

OH, but according to John...she did not have a bedwetting problem. Do people NORMALLY place plastic sheets on the beds of their NON-bedwetting children? I think NOT. He is downplaying this bedwetting issue, for a reason.

 

No Big Deal?

1 JOHN RAMSEY: In fact, the only reason
2 I would know if the kids wet their beds is if the
3 sheets were off the bed in the morning.
4 MIKE KANE: And then what?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Wash them, put new ones on.
6 It was just no big deal.

Downplaying the bedwetting issue again.....

 

Not an issue AT ALL..

21 LOU SMIT: Can you remember Patsy getting
22 up to go down and help JonBenet?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: I can't. I can't remember.
24 I mean not that she called out.
25 LOU SMIT: How about JonBenet herself?
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1 Did she have any concerns about bedwetting? Did
2 she ever say anything to you or do you remember
3 discussions with JonBenet about her bedwetting?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
5 MIKE KANE: Did she ever talk to you about
6 this? Did she say I have accidents, Daddy, or
7 something like that?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: This just wasn't an issue at all.

 

The bleaching...

16 MIKE KANE: Were you aware of Patsy
17 lightening JonBenet's hair? Make it lighter
18 than its natural color?
19 JOHN RAMSEY: No.[/COLOR]
20 MIKE KANE: There was a -- I don't
21 think it was pag -- it was part of a pageant,
22 there was a, you know, come-as-a-famous-person
23 part of I think it was a local pageant, might
24 have been down in Lakewood, bow tie (phonetic)
25 or something like that, I am not sure. That I
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1 read about that she, JonBenet came as Marilyn
2 Monroe, do you remember that?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I don't.
4 MIKE KANE: I think you said
5 earlier, when Lou was talking to you about it,
6 that Patsy's mom and her sisters had been to
7 some of these. Do you think they came out
8 specifically for that?

Yeah, right....John didn't realize that Patsy was lightening JB's hair. Remember the younger pictures of her, with DARK hair. How did John think that her hair went from dark ....to light blonde? He was in the dark about this, as well as the bedwetting issue. Gosh, didn't these people EVER communicate?

 

I am done for now....

Theres more where this came from...but, I have to stop awhile, and take a break. Man, this is HARD work?? So many lies....so little time.

 

Housekeeper, Linda Hoffman Pugh, in her testimony, stated that by the time she arrived for work in the Ramsey home in the morning, Patsy Ramsey had already stripped JonBenét's wet bed, with the sheets already in the washing machine.


Courtesy of Little

 

I think it is John himself teasing the police officers, being clever, leaving clues. He is so narcissistic he is almost daring them to catch him. He gives himself away with these comments.

If the interviewer could have just talked to him more about this intruder, he would have gotten into a hole he couldn't get himself out of. I can just see it...play along, and praise the intruder, saying indeed how clever he was, and did John think there were any more clues, wasn't that a funny clue, etc. and pretty soon John would be glowing with pride and telling them about things he shouldn't have known. But they weren't ready to catch him in his lies. They really didn't want to know...

 

Thanks for posting this Elle.

 

3 MIKE KANE: Did you bring in, what's her
4 name? Susan?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Susan.
6 MIKE KANE: When was she brought in?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: She was there a long time
8 during that period. I think a year almost. I think
9 she either quit her job or coincidentally didn't
10 have a job. I don't know what it was. But she was
11 available. And she was there, I would say
12 literally everyday all day, as I recall, most of
13 that time.
14 MIKE KANE: And was her primarily role to
15 take care of Patsy or to take care of the kids?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: It was the kids mostly. I
17 think (INAUDIBLE) and I took care of Patsy for the
18 most part.
19 MIKE KANE: And how did you hook with her?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Susan? I don't remember. Yeah,
21 I don't know. Patsy would know.
22 LOU SMIT: Did she have boyfriend or husband?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: No. I don't think. She was
24 very overweight; a young girl, but very
25 overweight. Very nice person that came from a
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1 wonderful family. (INAUDIBLE) parents.

Okay, now this is mean.....Mike Kane ask John about Susan...a babysitter. Wanting to know if Susan had a boyfriend or husband. John's reply: " No, I don't think. She was very overweight; a young girl, but very overweight". SO THE HECK WHAT!! Does THAT mean that she couldn't have a boyfriend, or a husband. GOSH, that makes me mad!!! :steamed: Notice that he says "....a YOUNG GIRL, but very overweight". So, I guess the youngness of her was okay, and probably turned him on...LOL...but, her "flaw" was...she was "very overweight"...and THATs the reason that she didn't have a boyfriend or a husband. I could put my foot up his butt, right about now.

 

Big Bites Of Salad....

22 MIKE KANE: If you were to cite one pet
23 peeve, and everybody has them, what would it be?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Channel surfacing probably
25 with the TV. If I can think of one thing she used
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1 to kid me about. If I had the controller in my
2 hand, that's what I do. Never stop moving the
3 channel to watch it. I can watch two or three
4 channels at once.
5 MIKE KANE: And then on the flip side,
6 what would your pet peeve be?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: The only thing I've ever
8 kidded about was, she takes huge bites of salad.
9 When she eats salad.
10 MIKE KANE: And that's as bad as it got?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: That was really about as bad
12 as it got. And she talked about it and joked
13 about it. (INAUDIBILE).

WOW...that must have really been a marriage made in heaven, and Patsy must have been a Saint, if the only complaint that he has about her, is that she take big bites of salad. :lier:

 

JB drug PATSY to the pageants....yeah right.

12 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I can't say that
13 I liked it. I think -- she had fun with it. It
14 wasn't done -- every little girl, certainly all
15 my little girls liked to put on makeup and dress
16 up, and play dress-up and so this was just kind
17 of an another level of playing dress-up. But I
18 always kind of did a check on was -- you know,
19 did she really want to do that today.
20 And I never said you know, hope you
21 win or just -- just have fun you know, hope you
22 have fun. Sing good, you know, doesn't matter
23 if you're the prettiest. You're the talent,
24 that's really what counts. It became kind of a
25 thing between us, she always said I am there for
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1 my talent, dad.
2 But no, I think she drug Patsy to a
3 couple of them that Patsy didn't even want to go
4 to.
5 MIKE KANE: Which one was that?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember. I
7 just, I remember that she was more insistent on
8 going than Patsy.

Yet, another lie.

 

John and Patsy not comforting each other....

10 MIKE KANE: On the 26th, that day,
11 some people who had seen, who were there or they
12 were at your house or at the Fernies afterwards,
13 have commented that -- that the two of you, you
14 and Patsy didn't spend a lot of time together
15 under this crisis atmosphere. What's your
16 reaction to that?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't recall we
18 didn't spend a lot of time together. We were
19 both totally devastated, crushed, ruined.
20 Mentally vegetables. I mean, you know, you
21 just, you don't really care to even be alive
22 after something like that happens. And --
23 MIKE KANE: Do you recall that you
24 were together a lot during that time?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, yeah, we were
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1 together. We were in the same house, we -- I
2 mean, there were ton of people around us all the
3 time. Patsy was sedated. I don't remember
4 where she slept the first night. The first
5 night I just sat in the living room until I
6 could lay down on the floor, and you know, I
7 just --
8 MIKE KANE: You didn't sleep
9 together the first night?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: I slept on the
11 floor. I don't know that I even slept. Only
12 because I -- I didn't -- I mean, I mean, when
13 Beth died, I sat up all night, probably had 6
14 Scotches. I don't know that I slept a minute.
15 Basically I felt the same way that night. You
16 don't go back to a normal routine of putting on
17 your pajamas and brushing your teeth and
18 climbing into bed and kissing each other good
19 night. You have been crushed.
20 MIKE KANE: I just wondered why you
21 wouldn't gravitate to each other in that
22 circumstance. You have such a common interest
23 at that point.
24 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know, I
25 mean, I don't recall that we didn't. And
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1 that's -- I wouldn't have made an observation of
2 our behavior, put it that way. You know, she
3 was, I know when we were -- before we found
4 JonBenet, Patsy was kind of stayed in the
5 solarium area, and I would go in and check on
6 her periodically and just assure her that we
7 were going to get JonBenet back, and but my
8 focus was on getting her back, you know.
9 For me to sit there and you know,
10 what are we going to do, it wasn't going to get
11 done.

Yes, I found this quite odd too. I believe that its because they probably had some sort of disagreement or something, on how to handle the situation. Maybe Patsy didn't want to call 911 so soon....or something like that. I believe that there had been some sort of an argument, and thats why they didn't console one another. If my daughter had been murdered....I wouldn't leave my husband's side....and he wouldn't leave mine.

 

Patsy's Handwriting...

5 MIKE KANE: Do you feel like if
6 there were no note, the finger would point more
7 to you or less to you? When I say you I mean
8 your family.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I mean that
10 was Patsy's reaction, she said thank God they
11 left a note. I said what do you mean by that,
12 he said well, they left some evidence, so he was
13 going to follow it that way.
14 So yeah, I mean I think if somebody
15 was really trying to frame us, it could have
16 been a lot more obvious and a lot less -- a lot
17 more likely to do that. Seems to be I mean I
18 think it was just, I mean, for example what if
19 instead of Patsy's handwriting coming back
20 almost exclusive, what it if had come back
21 exclusive. We didn't write the note, Patsy
22 didn't write the note, boom, it's over, who
23 wrote the note?
24 But the fact that, okay, maybe
25 there is a few similarities in her writing,
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1 that's about it. She wouldn't be absolutely
2 excluded, that becomes -- I mean if somebody is
3 trying to frame you, that's just too -- that's
4 too lucky.
5 MIKE KANE: What's your
6 understanding about the fact that there are
7 similarities? I mean what's the --
8 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS).
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Our experts who I
10 believe are national experts said look, we give
11 it a 4.5 on a scale of 5. If we had more
12 samples prior to the murder, we could maybe get
13 it to a five where there was absolutely no
14 possible way that she wrote this note. 4.5 is
15 as professional, as good as we can do it.
16 MIKE KANE: How did they rule you
17 out?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know.
19 MIKE KANE: Did they have a lot of
20 pre-December writings?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember
22 frankly. But we gave whatever we needed to,
23 both to the police and our people, and I think
24 mine was fairly quick.
25 MIKE KANE: Did you have any
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1 understanding about what's the probability that
2 there would be any similarity? There obviously
3 were none with you?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: Of course we
5 assumed there would be none, because we didn't
6 write it so I was -- I mean we were -- in our
7 minds there was no doubt what the outcome would
8 be.
9 MIKE KANE: Were you surprised when
10 there were similarities?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, the way it was
12 explained to us was that there are certain
13 things that we all learned when we learned how
14 to write, that are kind of common and that's the
15 kind of things that were there apparently in
16 Patsy's samples that they just couldn't
17 absolutely say totally exclude it. But they
18 were as close as they can be as professionals,
19 at least ours, to say that --
20 MIKE KANE: What do you think about
21 the -- there is a range you probably heard some
22 other may be about the 4 to 5 level?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: The only one I heard
24 was CBI was recently quoted as saying they were
25 closer to exclusion than they were inclusion and
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1 it was a three on a scale of ten, which to me is
2 --
3 MIKE KANE: Where did you hear
4 that?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: It was in the Denver
6 paper. Chuck Green, which of course always has
7 been reliable and accurate information. So it
8 may not be accurate as all, I don't know. But
9 -- what we heard, I guess, officially was it was
10 inconclusive. Couldn't be excluded, couldn't be
11 included.

So even John is saying that Patsy's handwriting sample was inconclusive.

 

According to Linda Wilcox who worked there before Linda Hoffman Pugh, he was not over friendly with the house staff. While LInda was vaccuming one day, he stormed in the door and whipped the plug right out of the wall. Charming fellow.

http://www.acandyrose.com/transcripts.htm
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/07211998lindawilcoxon-pb.htm

 

Thanks for posting this. Yeah, he was a real Prince Charming, wasn't he? And that story proves that he KNEW that JB wet the bed. He tries desperately to downplay that bedwetting issue, in his interview. IMO...a bedwetting incident and possibly soiling incident, is what eventually triggered her death.

 

I've always thought along those lines, that maybe when Patsy was going through the regular midnight check of wakening JonBenét up, she may have found either a soiled, or wet bed, and hauled JonBenét out of it in a rage. According to Nedra Paugh, JonBenét hated being dragged out of her bed, and would scream blue bloody murder. So she told Steve Thomas. It's possible JonBenét was thrown around viciously, causing her head injury (?).

Realizing she had accidentally killed her little girl, Patsy Ramsey couldn't accept the consequences this would bring upon her and John Ramsey's lives, and the scheming and planning went on throughout the whole night to create a staged crime, with both of the Ramseys involved. Both of them lied through their interviews and testimonies, as we all know, thanks to District Attorney Alex Hunter allowing them to read their previous reports and rehearse what they were going to say the next time around.

Thank you Ames. I've posted this off and on throughout the years. Thank you for letting me go over it one more time.

 

You are welcome...

If you go back and read the portion of John's interview, on the page before this one..I believe....he says himself that JB wouldn't have gotten up to go to the bathroom, because she was in a deep sleep. I really think that the point that he was making here, is he was wanting to make sure that everyone knew that JB was totally wiped out, and sound asleep. And he was trying to prove his point by stating that she was so asleep, that there would have been no way that she would have even gotten up to go to the bathroom. What he didn't realize...is THAT makes the bedwetting incident more plausible. It makes TOTAL sense....she was TOO tired to get up to go to the bathroom (John's OWN words)....so she wets and possibly soils the bed. Makes perfect sense. Yes, I agree...Patsy finds her wet and possibly soiled and dragged her out of the bed....and I believe that she was PUT to bed in her RED TURTLENECK...and that Patsy probably grabbed her up by the collar and dragged her into the bathroom, and in her rage...she threw JB up against the tub, and cracked her skull. And then the staging began...to save her own butt....with help from John. IMO Patsy initially says that JB was wearing her red turtleneck, when she was put into bed...Patsy changed her into this, after they arrived home. But, then Patsy changes her story. Steve Thomas also believes that she was wearing the red turtleneck. I do not believe that there was an argument between Patsy and JB, regarding her wearing the turtleneck to the White's party....as Patsy has stated. She was just trying to explain away why the the red turtleneck was balled up in the bathroom. IMO I also believe that the red turtleneck got wet, when JB wet the bed....as Thomas also believes. I don't believe that he would have said this, if he didn't have some sort of proof. Maybe the turtleneck had urine stains, or was wet from urine....and we just haven't heard that evidence yet. Who knows....

 

I've never understood why Patsy was never arrested when she changed her 26th December statement on the red top/turtleneck. She was banking on being accepted as a very distraught mother. She acted out her part very well, and should have won an award.

There is another way of looking at this red top. Patsy Ramsey may well have put this red top on JonBenét just to spite her bad behaviour of not wanting to wear it to the White's party. She was rebelling against wearing the same outfits as her mother. Linda the housekeeper also vouched for this behaviour with the recent Christmas party.

It's hard to define, but why would the red top have been in this balled up state to quote Steve Thomas, on the bathroom counter, if it hadn't been worn at all? There was no reason for it to end up there. It's almost like Patsy Ramsey forgot it in her panic to get everything right.

Having said that, Patsy Ramsey is careful to mention to the police that she was fussing with this red top on the ironing board, making sure it was mentioned. Keep in mind that her previous statements to the police were being read by Patsy herself. She was covering her tracks.

I've never known a case like this before, where the suspects are allowed to read what they had stated in the previous interview. It seems to mock justice.

Is it any wonder Steve Thomas was frustrated and resigned? I personally think he will be the detective remembered in this case, not the bumbling Lou Smit.

 

Let's not forget that the sexual abuse was a key part of the reason for the cover-up and staging, more even than the accidental (maybe) blow to JonBenet's head. If one parent accidently caused the head injury, and the other parent had been abusing JonBenet, then both of them felt they had too much to lose to allow JonBenet medical help. One of them knew what would be found if there was a medical exam, because that one made sure to injure JonBenet further so that the previous contact would be partially covered-up.

Maybe it was John who wanted contact with JonBenet that night and found her wet again.

 

Yes, heymom, I understand what you're sayiing here, and yet in spite of all of this, the Ramseys still managed to walk free. Repeat, is it any wonder Steve Thomas resigned?