Lou Smit

Probably the court reporter: "Dear God, please help me get through this without throwing up and losing my mind...." :headache:

 

Personally, I don't believe jams has it. If she did, she'd have the whole forum quoting Smit's spin so much, we'd all know it by heart now.

Once she found out she couldn't sell it, I mean....

See, if it's in the public domain, or not sealed, as they claim, then the only thing I can think of is it has either not been transcribed or Wood won't give it out for free.

When I got the part of the Miller trial transcript that contained Fernie's account of when he arrived at the Ramsey's home that morning, I talked directly to the court reporter. The Colorado clerk of court I called about that case--whatever district that was, I can't remember now--gave me the court reporter's number. That's why it's so confusing that the U.S. Dictrict Court's clerks seem to think Smit's depo is still under protective order, as well as all those we have viewed online for so long. They tried to patiently tell me to mind my own business in this, and I tried to patiently tell them that the Rams had made it everyone's business by having Wood and jams hand out the parts they wanted to shill to the world. Oh, well.

My guess is that we need to contact the court reporter who took Smit's depo. If he/she has already transcribed the depo, it will cost so much/page. Since it's not a criminal case, the court reporter might say he/she can't share it unless the party who paid for it agrees. That's what is confusing to me. If Wood/the Rams paid for the depo, in a civil case, it's in their powers. If Wood doesn't want it out here, I don't see how we can get it.

So now I think it's a challenge to find out IF we can get it. If we can't, then we've been misinformed. If we can...well...I think it would be worth having access to, to see just what Smit said under WOOD ALONE'S leading questions and direction that so swayed the judge. Of course, I don't expect anything new, as we've heard Smit's disinformation enough times before. But...we can't really know without seeing it, can we?

Tricia, the case number is: 1:00-CV-1187-JEC

Robert Christian Wolf v John Bennet Ramsey and Patricia Paugh Ramsey

date of Carnes' decision: March 31, 2003

This case was filed in U.S. District Court in Georgia, Northern District, I think.

The Clerk's Office number is 404 215-1600.

I think it would be probably be best to next contact the court recorder who took the deposition for Wood, unless you want to call Lin Wood's office. hahahahaha :doh:

Here is the name of the court reporter who took the Beckner depo, and they said that was taken during the same trip, so maybe the same court reporter took Smit's.

8 Today is November 26th, 2001. We are

9 located at 1777 Broadway, Boulder, Colorado. The

10 court reporter is Kelly Mackereth from Mackereth

11 Lombritto & Associates. I'm the videographer. My

12 name is Monika Cary, of Wren Video Services.

Oh, yeah, you need Smit's entire name, as that's how it's filed for the court: Andrew Louis Smit.

 

One more thing: in Georgia, the first clerk of court I spoke with said copies cost 50 cents/page. If that's the going rate in Colorado, that would be 4000 pages of transcript for it to cost $2000.

That's 8 packages of paper with 500 pages in each pack. Maybe 12 or more lbs to ship?

 

OK, what the heck, back to Pacer:

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1:00-cv-01187-JEC Wolf v. Ramsey, et al
Julie E. Carnes, presiding
Date filed: 05/11/2000
Date terminated: 03/31/2003 Date of last filing: 11/02/2004



Case Summary
Office: Atlanta Filed: 05/11/2000
Jury Demand: Plaintiff Demand: $50000000000
Nature of Suit: 360 Cause: 28:1332 Diversity-Personal Injury
Jurisdiction: Diversity Disposition: Judgment - Motion Before Trial
County: XX US, Outside State Terminated: 03/31/2003
Origin: 1 Reopened:

Lead Case: None
Related Case: None Other Court Case: :03--12191[A USCA 11th Circuit]
Def Custody Status:
Flags: CLOSED, SEAL_Material

Plaintiff Robert Christian Wolf represented by Evan M. Altman Phone: 404-845-0695
Email: ealtman.law@comcast.net

Plaintiff Robert Christian Wolf represented by Darnay Hoffman Phone: 212-712-2766

Defendant John Bennett Ramsey represented by S. Derek Bauer Phone: 404-572-6600
Email: dbauer@pgfm.com

Defendant John Bennett Ramsey represented by James Clifton Rawls Phone: 404-572-6600
Email: jrawls@pgfm.com

Defendant John Bennett Ramsey represented by Eric Schroeder Phone: 404-572-6600
Fax: 404-572-6999
Email: eschroed@pgfm.com

Defendant John Bennett Ramsey represented by L. Lin Wood, Jr. Phone: 404-572-6633
Fax: 404-572-6999
Email: llwood@pogolaw.com

Defendant Patricia Paugh Ramsey represented by James Clifton Rawls Phone: 404-572-6600
Email: jrawls@pgfm.com

Defendant Patricia Paugh Ramsey represented by Eric Schroeder Phone: 404-572-6600
Fax: 404-572-6999
Email: eschroed@pgfm.com

Defendant Patricia Paugh Ramsey represented by L. Lin Wood, Jr. Phone: 404-572-6633
Fax: 404-572-6999
Email: llwood@pogolaw.com






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Case File Location

Case Number Volume Case Title Result
1:00-cv-01187-JEC CS1 Wolf v. Ramsey, et al The case file may be available.

 

CLOSED, SEAL_Material

U.S. District Court
Northern District of Georgia (Atlanta)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 1:00-cv-01187-JEC

Wolf v. Ramsey, et al
Assigned to: Judge Julie E. Carnes
Demand: $50,000,000,000
Case in other court: A USCA 11th Circuit, :03--12191
Cause: 28:1332 Diversity-Personal Injury
Date Filed: 05/11/2000
Jury Demand: Plaintiff
Nature of Suit: 360 P.I.: Other
Jurisdiction: Diversity
Plaintiff
Robert Christian Wolf represented by Darnay Hoffman
Law Offices of Darnay Hoffman
210 West 70th Street
New York, NY 10023
212-712-2766
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Evan M. Altman
Office of Evan M. Altman
6085 Lake Forrest Drive
Suite 300-B
Atlanta, GA 30328
404-845-0695
Email: ealtman.law@comcast.net
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED


V.

Defendant
John Bennett Ramsey represented by Catrina Celeste Creswell
Wargo & French LLP
1170 Peachtree Street, NE
Suite 2020
Atlanta, GA 30309
404-853-1500
Email: ccreswell@wargofrench.com
TERMINATED: 05/23/2001
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Daniel Arthur Kent
Fish & Richardson - Atl
19th Floor
1230 Peachtree St., N.E.
Atlanta, GA 30309
US
404-892-5005
Fax: 404-892-5002
Email: kent@fr.com
TERMINATED: 05/23/2001
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Eric Schroeder
Powell Goldstein LLP
One Atlantic Center, 14th Floor
1201 West Peachtree St, N.W.
Atlanta, GA 30309-3488
404-572-6600
Fax: 404-572-6999
Email: eschroed@pgfm.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

James Clifton Rawls
Powell Goldstein LLP
One Atlantic Center, 14th Floor
1201 West Peachtree St, N.W.
Atlanta, GA 30309-3488
404-572-6600
Email: jrawls@pgfm.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

L. Lin Wood, Jr.
Powell Goldstein, LLP
One Atlantic Center
Fourteenth Floor
1201 West Peachtree St., NW
Atlanta, GA 30309-3488
404-572-6633
Fax: 404-572-6999
Email: llwood@pogolaw.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

S. Derek Bauer
Powell Goldstein LLP
One Atlantic Center, 14th Floor
1201 West Peachtree St, N.W.
Atlanta, GA 30309-3488
404-572-6600
Email: dbauer@pgfm.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Samuel Robinson Arden
Hartman Simons Spielman & Wood
6400 Powers Ferry Road, N.W.
Suite 400
Atlanta, GA 30339
770-955-3555
Email: sarden@hssw.com
TERMINATED: 05/23/2001
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Defendant
Patricia Paugh Ramsey represented by Catrina Celeste Creswell
(See above for address)
TERMINATED: 05/23/2001
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Daniel Arthur Kent
(See above for address)
TERMINATED: 05/23/2001
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Eric Schroeder
(See above for address)
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

James Clifton Rawls
(See above for address)
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

L. Lin Wood, Jr.
(See above for address)
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Samuel Robinson Arden
(See above for address)
TERMINATED: 05/23/2001
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Intervenor
CBS Broadcasting Inc. represented by Kelli L. Sager
Davis Wright Tremain
865 South Figueroa Avenue
Suite 2400
Los Angeles, CA 90017
213-633-6800
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Rochelle L. Wilcox
Davis Wright Tremain
865 South Figueroa Avenue
Suite 2400
Los Angeles, CA 90017
213-633-6800
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED


V.

Movant
Steve Thomas represented by Charles P. Diamond
O'Melveny & Myers
1999 Avenue of the Stars
7th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90067
310-246-6789
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Daniel M. Petrocelli
O'Melveny & Myers
1999 Avenue of the Stars
7th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90067
310-246-6850
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Sean R. Smith
Duane Morris
1180 West Peachtree Street, NW
Suite 700
Atlanta, GA 30309-3448
404-253-6955
Fax: 404-253-6901
Email: srsmith@duanemorris.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Thomas MacIver Clyde
Dow Lohnes & Albertson
One Ravinia Drive
Suite 1600
Atlanta, GA 30346-2108
770-901-8800
Email: tclyde@dlalaw.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Movant
Alexander Hunter represented by Andrew R. Macdonald
Boulder County Attorney Office
P.O. Box 471
Boulder, CO 80306
303-441-3190
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Richard Neal Sheinis
Hall Booth Smith & Slover
1180 West Peachtree Street
Atlantic Center Plaza, Suite 900
Atlanta, GA 30309
404-954-5000
Email: rsheinis@hbss.net
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Movant
Fleet White, Jr. represented by David Lewis Balser
McKenna Long & Aldridge
303 Peachtree Street, N.E.
One Peachtree Center, Suite 5300
Atlanta, GA 30308-3201
404-527-4000
Email: dbalser@mckennalong.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Movant
City and County of Boulder
a subdivision of the State of Colorado represented by Joe Dally Whitley
Alston & Bird
1201 West Peachtree Street
One Atlantic Center
Atlanta, GA 30309-3424
404-881-7000
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Movant
Robert E. Cook


Date Filed # Docket Text
05/11/2000 1 COMPLAINT filed. Consent form to proceed before U.S. magistrate and pretrial instructions given to attorney; jury demand FILING FEE $ 150 RECEIPT # 454488 (crc) (Entered: 05/12/2000)
05/11/2000 2 ANSWERS TO MANDATORY DISCLOSURES by plaintiff (2 vols.) (crc) (Entered: 05/12/2000)
05/11/2000 3 Application for admission of Darnay Hoffman pro hac vice for plaintiff (crc) (Entered: 05/16/2000)
05/19/2000 ENDORSED ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes APPROVING [3-1] pro hac vice application as to Darnay Hoffman. (cc) (bek) (Entered: 05/30/2000)
06/08/2000 4 ANSWERS TO MANDATORY DISCLOSURES by plaintiff (web) (Entered: 06/12/2000)
06/15/2000 5 AMENDED COMPLAINT for libel and slander and for intentional infliction of emotional distress by extreme and outrageous conduct by Robert Christian Wolf; jury demand (web) (Entered: 06/16/2000)
07/03/2000 Proposed Consent order extending time to answer or move thru 7/25/00 (crc) (Entered: 07/03/2000)
07/07/2000 6 Notice by CRD, the proposed consent order extending time to answer violates the Court's local rule re: font. (Copies served by CRD) (web) (Entered: 07/10/2000)
07/10/2000 7 CONSENT ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes, extending time thru 07/25/00 to answer [1-1] complaint , Answer due 7/25/00 for Patricia Paugh Ramsey, for John Bennett Ramsey (cc) (web) (Entered: 07/11/2000)
07/20/2000 8 Stipulation (limiting the number of legal issues in dispute). (To JEC) (web) (Entered: 07/20/2000)
07/24/2000 ENDORSED ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes APPROVING [8-1] stipulation that pla. Robert Christian Wolf shall be deemed as a matter of law to be a limited purpose public figure. (cc) (ck) (Entered: 07/25/2000)
07/25/2000 9 MOTION by defendants to dismiss, pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(6) with brief in support. (ck) (Entered: 07/27/2000)
08/04/2000 10 Memorandum of law by plaintiff in opposition to dft's [9-1] motion to dismiss, pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(6) (web) (Entered: 08/07/2000)
08/07/2000 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [9-1] motion to dismiss, pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(6) (web) (Entered: 08/07/2000)
08/08/2000 11 Notice by CRD, [9-1] motion to dismiss violates the Court's local rule re: font size. (Copies served by CRD) (web) (Entered: 08/09/2000)
08/09/2000 12 Joint Certificate of interested persons. (to judge) (web) (Entered: 08/10/2000)
08/10/2000 13 Notice by CRD, the [10-1] memorandum violates the Court's local rule re: font size. Documents [9-1], [11-1] are in compliance w/ the local rules. The parties are reminded of local rule re: font size. (Copies are served by CRD) (web) (Entered: 08/11/2000)
08/21/2000 14 Reply brief by defendants in support of [9-1] motion to dismiss, pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(6) (web) (Entered: 08/22/2000)
02/12/2001 15 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes DENYING [9-1] motion to dismiss, pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(6) by Patricia Paugh Ramsey, John Bennett Ramsey (cc) (jph) (Entered: 02/13/2001)
02/15/2001 16 Notice of change of firm name by Kritzer & Levick, P.C. formerly Altman, Kritzer & Levick, P.C. for defendants. (jph) (Entered: 02/15/2001)
02/28/2001 Proposed Consent order extending time thru 4/2/01 to answer [5-1] amended complaint by defendant. (jph) (Entered: 03/01/2001)
03/07/2001 17 CONSENT ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes, extending time thru 4/2/01 to answer [5-1] amended complaint (cc) (jph) (Entered: 03/08/2001)
03/15/2001 18 WAIVER OF SERVICE Returned Executed as to John Bennett Ramsey, Patricia Paugh Ramsey mailed 5/12/00 (jph) (Entered: 03/16/2001)
03/16/2001 19 ANSWERS TO MANDATORY DISCLOSURES by plaintiff (jph) (Entered: 03/19/2001)
03/23/2001 20 Attorney appearance for defendants by L. Lin Wood Jr. (jph) (Entered: 03/23/2001)
03/23/2001 21 Notice of Certificate of consent to withdrawal of counsel of Daniel A. Kent, C. Celeste Creswell, and Samuel R. Arden by defendants. (jph) (Entered: 03/23/2001)
04/02/2001 22 ANSWER by defendant to complaint [5-1] Discovery ends 8/30/01 (jph) (Entered: 04/02/2001)
04/02/2001 23 Attorney appearance for defendant by James C. Rawls, Eric P. Schroeder, and S. Derek Bauer. (jph) (Entered: 04/02/2001)
05/03/2001 24 Preliminary Report and Discovery Schedule. (to judge) (jph) (Entered: 05/04/2001)
05/09/2001 ENDORSED ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes APPROVING [24-1] preliminary statement Discovery extended to 8 months (cc) (jph) Modified on 05/10/2001 (Entered: 05/10/2001)
05/14/2001 25 Notice to take deposition of Steve Thomas by defendants (lme) (Entered: 05/15/2001)
05/16/2001 26 Memorandum by defendants in support of proposed stipulation and protective order (jph) (Entered: 05/18/2001)
05/16/2001 27 Memorandum of law by plaintiff in support of proposed protective order (jph) (Entered: 05/18/2001)
05/17/2001 28 ANSWERS TO INITIAL DISCLOSURES by defendants (jph) (Entered: 05/18/2001)
05/18/2001 29 Memorandum of law by plaintiff in support of proposed stip & protective order (jph) (Entered: 05/21/2001)
05/18/2001 30 Memo by CRD, for conference on 5/22/01 at 2:00pm (cc by CRD) (jph) (Entered: 05/21/2001)
05/21/2001 31 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes, Discovery ends 1/3/02 , sum jgm motions should be filed by 1/23/02, if no sum jgm motions then pre-trial order due on 2/4/02 , [31-1] order to be submitted on 2/5/02 if no sum jgm motions or pto filed Parties are reminded to comply w/LR 5.1B regarding font(cc) (jph) Modified on 05/22/2001 (Entered: 05/22/2001)
05/22/2001 32 HEARING HELD on [26-1] response, [27-1] response before Judge Julie E. Carnes. Atty Hoffman appeared by telephone. The parties agreed on particular language and will submit proposed order to the Court for signature. (jph) (Entered: 05/23/2001)
05/23/2001 33 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes directing clerk to strike attorneys Daniel Kent, C. Celeste Creswell, and Samuel Arden as counsel for dfts (cc) (jph) (Entered: 05/24/2001)
05/24/2001 34 Stipulation, regarding number of depositions by plaintiff (jph) (Entered: 05/25/2001)
05/25/2001 35 Stipulation, and protective order approved by Judge Julie E. Carnes (jph) (Entered: 05/29/2001)
06/05/2001 ENDORSED ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes APPROVING [34-1] stipulation regarding number of depositions by Robert Christian Wolf, APPROVING [34-2] stipulation by Robert Christian Wolf (cc) (jph) (Entered: 06/05/2001)
06/06/2001 36 Stipulation, extending time thru 7/2/01 for dfts to respond to discovery requests (to JEC) (jph) (Entered: 06/07/2001)
07/05/2001 37 MOTION by movant Steve Thomas to quash subpoena and for protective order with memorandum in support. (aaq) (Entered: 07/06/2001)
07/23/2001 38 Memorandum by defendants in opposition of [37-1] motion to quash subpoena (jph) (Entered: 07/24/2001)
07/24/2001 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [37-1] motion to quash subpoena (jph) (Entered: 07/24/2001)
07/25/2001 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [37-2] motion for protective order (FILE IN CHAMBERS) (jph) (Entered: 07/25/2001)
08/09/2001 39 Reply brief to [37-1] motion to quash subpoena by movant. (jph) (Entered: 08/10/2001)
08/09/2001 40 Application for Daniel M. Petrocelli admission of pro hac vice for movant (jph) (Entered: 08/10/2001)
08/13/2001 ENDORSED ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [40-1] pro hac vice application for Daniel M. Petrocelli (cc) (jph) (Entered: 08/14/2001)
08/23/2001 41 Memo by CRD, discovery conference on 8/31/01 10:00am The dfts should be prepared to discuss with the Court those areas in which they wish to depose Mr. Thomas (jph) (Entered: 08/24/2001)
08/31/2001 42 Motion HEARING held before Judge Julie E. Carnes [37-1] motion to quash subpoena, [37-2] motion for protective order Court denied both. Ramsey dfts request that depo be taken on 9/19/ or 9/20. Mr. Diamond will confirm date w/counsel. Dfts will have 6 hours to depose Mr. Thomas and Mr. Hoffman will have 1 hour. (jph) (Entered: 08/31/2001)
08/31/2001 VERBAL ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes DENYING [37-1] motion to quash subpoena by Steve Thomas, DENYING [37-2] motion for protective order by Steve Thomas, (jph) (Entered: 08/31/2001)
09/04/2001 43 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes DENYING [37-1] motion to quash subpoena by Steve Thomas, DENYING [37-2] motion for protective order by Steve Thomas (cc) (jph) (Entered: 09/05/2001)
11/02/2001 44 Notice to take deposition of ALEXANDER M. HUNTER, MARK R. BECKNER, and CAREY WEINHEIMER by defendants (jph) (Entered: 11/05/2001)
11/14/2001 45 MOTION by movant Steve Thomas for protective order with brief in support. (jph) (Entered: 11/15/2001)
11/15/2001 46 TRANSCRIPT filed RE: for dates of 10/11/01 Court Reporter: David A. Ritchie (jph) (Entered: 11/16/2001)
11/28/2001 47 Opposition by defendants to Non-Party Witness Steve Thomas' [45-1] motion for protective order. (***FILED UNDER SEAL***) (aaq) (Entered: 11/29/2001)
11/28/2001 48 Notice of filing original deposition of Steve Thomas under seal by defendant. (aaq) (Entered: 11/29/2001)
11/28/2001 Deposition of STEVE THOMAS taken for defendant. (***FILED UNDER SEAL***) (aaq) (Entered: 11/29/2001)
12/05/2001 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [45-1] motion for protective order (jph) (Entered: 12/05/2001)
12/06/2001 Proposed Consent order extending time thru 2/4/02 for discovery. (to JEC) (jph) (Entered: 12/07/2001)
12/10/2001 49 CONSENT ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes, extending time for discovery , Discovery ends 2/4/02 (cc) (jph) (Entered: 12/10/2001)
12/18/2001 Proposed Consent extension of time thru 12/28/01 for Steve Thomas to file the reply brief to [45-1] motion for protective order . (to JEC) (jph) (Entered: 12/19/2001)
12/24/2001 50 Notice to take deposition of LOU SMIT by defendants (jph) (Entered: 12/31/2001)
12/28/2001 51 Reply brief to [45-1] motion for protective order by movant w/video tape attached. (jph) (Entered: 12/31/2001)
12/31/2001 52 Notice of Designation of confidential testimony by movant Alexander Hunter . (jph) (Entered: 01/04/2002)
12/31/2001 Added attorney for movant Alexander Hunter : Andrew R. Macdonald. (jph) (Entered: 01/08/2002)
01/09/2002 53 Attorney appearance for movant Fleet White Jr. by David Lewis Balser (jph) (Entered: 01/10/2002)
01/10/2002 54 PROTECTIVE ORDER ENTERED. (jph) (Entered: 01/11/2002)
01/10/2002 55 CONSENT ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes, extending time thru 12/28/01 for Steve Thomas to file a reply brief [45-1] motion for protective order (cc) (jph) (Entered: 01/11/2002)
02/04/2002 56 Joint MOTION to extend time thru 4/30/02 for discovery w/proposed order (to JEC) (jph) (Entered: 02/05/2002)
02/04/2002 57 Application for admission of Andrew R. Macdonald pro hac vice for movant Alexander Hunter (jph) (Entered: 02/07/2002)
02/04/2002 Added attorney for movant Alexander Hunter : Richard Neal Sheinis. (jph) (Entered: 02/07/2002)
02/11/2002 ENDORSED ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [57-1] pro hac vice application of Andrew R. Macdonald (cc) (fmm) (Entered: 02/12/2002)
02/11/2002 58 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [56-1] joint motion to extend time thru 4/30/02 for discovery, Discovery ends 4/30/02 (cc) (fmm) (Entered: 02/12/2002)
02/15/2002 59 Notice of Designation of videotaped depo as confidential by movant Fleet White Jr. (jph) (Entered: 02/19/2002)
03/25/2002 60 JOINT CONSENT MOTION by plaintiff and defendants to extend time thru 5/31/02 for discovery (jph) (Entered: 03/26/2002)
03/25/2002 61 Joint MOTION by plaintiff and defendants to set certain filing deadlines (jph) (Entered: 03/26/2002)
04/09/2002 62 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [60-1] joint motion to extend time thru 5/31/02 for discovery, Discovery ends 5/31/02 (cc) (jph) (Entered: 04/10/2002)
04/09/2002 63 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [61-1] joint motion to set certain filing deadlines, Motions for sum jgm due 7/31/02; responsive briefs due 8/30/02 and reply briefs due 9/30/02. Due to the age of the case the Judge will not grant any extensions that would continue the submission of the final brief beyond 9/30/02. (cc) (jph) (Entered: 04/10/2002)
06/18/2002 64 Stipulation, dismissing cause of action for intentional infliction of emotional distress by extreme and outrageous conduct brought against dfts w/prejudice by plaintiff and defendants John Bennett Ramsey and Patricia Paugh Ramsey; approved by Judge Julie E. Carnes (cc) (jph) (Entered: 06/18/2002)
07/25/2002 65 CONSENT MOTION by plaintiff and defendants to briefly extend certain filing deadlines; Motion for summary judgment due 8/6/02, change response date to 9/9/02 (to JEC) (jph) (Entered: 07/26/2002)
08/01/2002 66 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [65-1] joint motion to briefly extend certain filing deadlines; Motion for summary judgment due 8/6/02, change response date to 9/9/02 (cc) (jph) (Entered: 08/01/2002)
08/06/2002 67 MOTION by defendants for summary judgment with memorandum of law in support(FILED UNDER SEAL), statement of material facts (FILED UNDER SEAL), exhibits A&B, (FILED UNDER SEAL), and Volume I(2 envelopes) and Volume II of exhibits (FILED UNDER SEAL) ***2 BOXES PLACED IN SEALED ROOM*** (jph) Modified on 08/07/2002 (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 68 MOTION by defendants in limine to exclude testimony of Cina Wong and Gideon Epstein with brief in support. (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 69 Notice of filing original discovery by defendants and request to file original discovery. (Expert reports, CD's of videotaped depositions, depos) (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 70 Notice of filing original discovery under seal pursuant to Court order by defendants. (Depos, cd's of depos) (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 71 Deposition of GIDEON EPSTEIN taken for defendants (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 72 Deposition of CINA L. WONG taken for defendants (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 73 Deposition of ALEXANDER HUNTER taken for defendants ***Filed Under Seal*** (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 74 Deposition of MARK R. BECKNER taken for defendants ***Filed Under Seal*** (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 75 Deposition of CAREY WEINHEIMER taken for defendants ***Filed Under Seal*** (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 76 Deposition of ROBERT CHRISTIAN WOLF taken for defendants ***File Under Seal*** (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 77 Deposition of ANDREW LOUIS SMIT taken for defendants ***Filed Under Seal*** (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/06/2002 78 Deposition of FLEET RUSSELL WHITE, JR. taken for defendants ***Filed Under Seal*** (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002) 08/06/2002 79 MOTION by defendants for oral argument on dfts' John and Patsy Ramsey's motion for summary judgment as to all remaining claims . (jph) (Entered: 08/07/2002)
08/13/2002 80 Application for admission of Kelli L. Sager pro hac vice for Proposed Intervenor CBS Broadcasting Inc.(to JEC) (jph) (Entered: 08/16/2002)
08/13/2002 81 Application for admission of Rochelle L. Wilcox pro hac vice for Proposed Intervenor CBS Broadcasting Inc (to JEC) (jph) (Entered: 08/16/2002)
08/15/2002 82 MOTION by Proposed Intervenor CBS Broadcasting Inc to intervene for the limited purpose of opposing motion for protective order of non-party witness Steve Thomas with brief in support. (jph) (Entered: 08/16/2002)
08/19/2002 83 Supplemental notice of filing original discovery by defendants. (jph) (Entered: 08/20/2002)
08/20/2002 84 ENDORSED ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [81-1] pro hac vice application of Rochelle L. Wilcox (cc) (jph) (Entered: 08/20/2002)
08/20/2002 85 ENDORSED ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [80-1] pro hac vice application of Kelli L. Sager. (cc) (jph) (Entered: 08/21/2002)
08/21/2002 86 Notice of release of brief filed under seal from confidentiality requirements and notice of filing of redacted public record portions of statement of facts by defendants. (jph) (Entered: 08/22/2002)
08/28/2002 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [68-1] motion in limine to exclude testimony of Cina Wong and Gideon Epstein, [79-1] motion for oral argument on dfts' John and Patsy Ramsey's motion for summary judgment as to all remaining claims (FILE IN CHAMBERS) (jph) (Entered: 08/28/2002)
08/30/2002 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [67-1] motion for summary judgment (FILE IN CHAMBERS) (jph) (Entered: 08/30/2002)
09/05/2002 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [82-1] motion to intervene for the limited purpose of opposing motion for protective order of non-party witness Steve Thomas (FILE IN CHAMBERS) (jph) (Entered: 09/05/2002)
09/09/2002 87 Memorandum of law by plaintiff in opposition to [68-1] motion in limine to exclude testimony of Cina Wong and Gideon Epstein ***FILED UNDER SEAL PER ORDER OF 5/25/01*** (jph) Modified on 09/10/2002 (Entered: 09/10/2002)
09/09/2002 88 Memorandum of law by plaintiff in opposition to [67-1] motion for summary judgment, statement of material facts, response to statement of material facts, 3 vol. exhibits(Vol 1 has part A and B). Exhibits A and B in small envelopes also inc. ***FILED UNDER SEAL PER ORDER OF 5/25/01*** (jph) (Entered: 09/10/2002)
09/11/2002 89 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes DENYING without prejudice [45-1] motion for protective order by Steve Thomas, to the right to file within 20 days a particularized motion for good cause. In the event that such a motion is filed, both pla and dfts should respond 20 days thereafter. Court DENIES without prejudice [82-1] motion to intervene for the limited purpose of opposing motion for protective order of non-party witness Steve Thomas by CBS Broadcasting Inc. In the event movant does file a renewed motion for protective order, CBS may again seek intervention and shall do so within 10 days of the deadline for the filing of movant's reply brief. (cc by CRD) (jph) (Entered: 09/12/2002)
09/30/2002 90 Reply brief to [68-1] motion in limine to exclude testimony of Cina Wong and Gideon Epstein by defendant. (jph) (Entered: 10/01/2002)
09/30/2002 91 Objections by defendant to exhibits in support of [68-1] motion in limine to exclude testimony of Cina Wong and Gideon Epstein and [67-1] motion for summary judgment (jph) (Entered: 10/01/2002)
09/30/2002 92 Objections by defendants to [67-1] statement of material facts (jph) (Entered: 10/01/2002)
09/30/2002 93 Reply brief to [67-1] motion for summary judgment by defendants. ***FILED UNDER SEAL*** (jph) (Entered: 10/01/2002)
10/01/2002 94 MOTION by movant Steve Thomas for protective order with brief in support. ***FILED UNDER SEAL*** (jph) (Entered: 10/02/2002)
10/09/2002 95 Response by plaintiff to [92-1] objection (jph) (Entered: 10/10/2002)
10/09/2002 96 Response by plaintiff to [92-1] objection (jph) (Entered: 10/10/2002)
10/21/2002 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [94-1] motion for protective order (FILE IN CHAMBERS) (jph) (Entered: 10/21/2002)
10/21/2002 97 Memorandum by defendants in opposition to [94-1] motion for protective order ***FILED UNDER SEAL*** (jph) (Entered: 10/22/2002)
11/07/2002 98 Reply brief to [94-1] motion for protective order by movant Steve Thomas. (***FILED UNDER SEAL***) (cdg) (Entered: 11/08/2002)
12/06/2002 99 Notice of supplemental authority by defendants in support of [67-1] motion for summary judgment (jph) (Entered: 12/09/2002)
12/10/2002 100 Notice of filing discovery by plaintiff with attached affidavit of Gideon Epstein, Cina Wong, and forensic handwriting reports. (als) Modified on 12/11/2002 (Entered: 12/10/2002)
12/10/2002 101 Deposition of JOHN BENNETT RAMSEY taken for plaintiff (als) (Entered: 12/11/2002)
12/10/2002 102 Deposition of PATRICIA PAUGH RAMSEY taken for plaintiff (als) (Entered: 12/11/2002)
12/30/2002 103 Tender of evidence by defendants re: [67-1] motion for summary judgment, [94-1] motion for protective order (daf) (Entered: 12/31/2002)
01/03/2003 104 MOTION by movant City of Boulder to extend time thru 2/4/03 to move for protective order . (jph) (Entered: 01/06/2003)
01/27/2003 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [104-1] motion to extend time thru 2/4/03 to move for protective order (FILE IN CHAMBERS) (jph) (Entered: 01/27/2003)
02/04/2003 105 REQUEST by movant City of Boulder for oral argument . (jph) (Entered: 02/05/2003)
02/04/2003 106 MOTION by movant City of Boulder for protective order . (jph) (Entered: 02/05/2003)
02/14/2003 Proposed Consent order extending time thru 3/11/03 for dfts to repsond to the [106-1] motion for protective order. (to JEC) (ck) (Entered: 02/18/2003)
02/14/2003 Proposed Consent Order extending time thru 3/11/03 to respond to [106-1] motion for protective order by defendants John Bennett Ramsey and Patricia Paugh Ramsey, and movant City of Boulder. (to JEC) (jph) (Entered: 02/19/2003)
02/24/2003 107 Response by plaintiff to [106-1] motion for protective order (jph) (Entered: 02/26/2003)
02/26/2003 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [105-1] motion for oral argument, [106-1] motion for protective order (FILE IN CHAMBERS) (jph) (Entered: 02/26/2003)
02/28/2003 108 CONSENT ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes, extending time to respond to [106-1] motion for protective order , [106-1] motion for protective order to be submitted on 3/12/03 (cc) (jph) (Entered: 03/03/2003)
03/07/2003 109 Notice of filing information regarding death of Jonbenet Ramsey by movant Robert E. Cook. (Titled: Motion to present matters of fact to the Court in regardings to the death of Jonbenet Ramsey) (jph) (Entered: 03/10/2003)
03/11/2003 110 Memorandum of law by defendants in opposition to [106-1] motion for protective order (jph) (Entered: 03/12/2003)
03/12/2003 SUBMITTED to Judge Julie E. Carnes on [106-1] motion for protective order (FILE IN CHAMBERS) (jph) (Entered: 03/12/2003)
03/26/2003 111 Addendum by Robert E. Cook in support of motion to present matters of fact to the Court in regards to the death of Jonbenet Ramsey. (Motion not on file) (ck) (Entered: 03/28/2003)
03/28/2003 112 Withdrawal of [106-1] motion for protective order by City of Boulder. (jph) (Entered: 03/31/2003) 03/31/2003 113 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes, DIRECTING Mr. Wood, Mr. Hoffman, and the parties in this case to submit sworn affidavits to the Court within 20 days. [113-1] order to be submitted on 4/24/03 (cc by CRD) (ORDER FILED UNDER SEAL) (ck) (Entered: 04/01/2003)
03/31/2003 114 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING IN PART AND DENYING IN PART [94-1] motion for protective order by Steve Thomas; motion is GRANTED as to the first & second categories of the motion; and is DENIED as to the third category; DENYING [105-1] motion for oral argument by City of DENYING [106-1] motion for protective order by City of Boulder (cc by CRD) (ck) (Entered: 04/01/2003)
03/31/2003 115 ORDER by Judge Julie E. Carnes GRANTING [67-1] motion for summary judgment, GRANTING IN PART AND DENYING IN PART [68-1] motion in limine to exclude testimony of Cina Wong and Gideon Epstein by Patricia Paugh Ramsey, John Bennett Ramsey; motion is GRANTED as to Ms. Wong and GRANTED IN PART & DENIED IN PART as to Mr. Epstein; DENYING [79-1] motion for oral argument on dfts' John and Patsy Ramsey's motion for summary judgment as to all remaining claims by Patricia Paugh Ramsey, John Bennett Ramsey (cc by CRD) (ck) Modified on 04/01/2003 (Entered: 04/01/2003)
03/31/2003 116 JUDGMENT ENTERED for defendants against plaintiff for costs of this action. (cc) (ck) (Entered: 04/01/2003) 03/31/2003 Terminated submissions. (ck) (Entered: 04/01/2003)
03/31/2003 Case terminated. (ck) (Entered: 04/01/2003)



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Ok, I'm trying to get some documents from this site, but it's causing my computer to crash, so I may or may not get some detailed stuff.

As for the docket I just posted, it's long and tedious, so I haven't read it all yet, just tried to highlight a few things that jumped out at me about sealed depositions. Feel free to jump in and figure it out...and good luck.

Oh, one thing: did Chris Wolf have to pay all the Ramseys' costs for this trial?

 

NO WAY??!! I didn't hear about this!! :steamed:

now THIS one I heard about!

Thanks for ALL the updates of 'old' case stuff - quite an interesting read to say the least!

Also I noticed that you mentioned in your phone conversation with the County Clerk:

now... excuse me, but didn't you JUST post part of Mark Beckner's depo???

 

LOL! thinking the same thing, Tez!! Good to 'see' you posting! :cool2:

 

Yeah, me, neither, until I was reading Beckner's depo posted at ACR's for the court reporter info and found that little tidbit about Darnay not showing up for Beckner's depo. That's why I mentioned it. I see a pattern with Darnay. He managed to NOT SHOW UP for quite a few key events in this case, as well as others he started and in which he ultimately screwed his clients to the wall.

That's why I was also asking if Chris Wolf had to pay the Ramsey costs in the suit: I noticed in the docket I posted that the judge ruled Wolf had to do that. I can't imagine how much that cost him. I hope somehow he appealed. I noticed, as my computer was crashing for the 5th time while I was trying to download some of the documents we can get from the case on the Pacer website, that I missed a few motions listed on the docket after Carnes wrote her decision and found for the defendants. So now that I've updated my Adobe program, maybe I can get more info to answer some of these questions, anyhow. But I'll have to do it over the next few days, as I have company now.

Yeah, well, that's what we're trying to figure out. The U.S. North District Court clerks say the depos were sealed under protective order. That's true, which the docket shows. But then both sides had a chance later to argue for or against keeping the case/depos/exhibits/whatever under protective order, with the depositions being sealed for good or unsealed, as far as I can tell without a careful reading--which I haven't had time to do. Some of the exhibits were also put under seal and continue to be sealed. Some of the depositions were as well, but apparently not all. But some seem to have had the seal lifted, at least partially, like Steve Thomas'. I also noticed that The City of Boulder filed some kind of motions in this case, I believe having to do with keeping some of the depositions under seal, like Beckner's and Hunter's and Smit's. But then they withdrew their motion or whatever, if I got that part right, later. So...I have no idea.

Like I said, I haven't had time to carefully read it all, and I'm trying to get some of the online documents for us, but my computer wouldn't load them and kept crashing. Seems I had to update my Adobe program, so that took a long time with dial-up. I haven't had a chance to try again, but if I still can't, maybe I can get Moab to do it for me. sigh I'm such a computer dummy.

But obviously, we do have some of the orginally sealed depositions online, so...I'll keep trying and on Monday, maybe we can make some more calls and see what we can find out.

 

OK, a correction here: I wrote several times about Darnay not showing up for Beckner's depo. I wrote about it even tonight. Then I went over to check out the swamp, on the off chance that someone there might actually give a rip about the murder victim in this debacle and post information beneficial to all, as opposed to just some self-promoting, name-dropping efforts at blowing her own horn. Of course, that didn't happen...duh.

But seems I misspoke in ONE POST and put Smit's name in for Beckner's, regarding Darnay not showing up at BECKNER'S DEPO. Anyone keeping up with this exercise in futility could figure out I simply made an error by transposing the names.

Not gutter candy, of course. She had to post an entire post on how I WAS LYING! I LIE! I'M SUCH A LYING STUPID TRUTH MURDERING GUTTER HO! DARNAY DID SHOW UP FOR SMIT'S DEPO! FOR 12 HOURS! BY TELEPHONE CONFERENCE CALL!

To clarify, here is my offending post:

Now, any rational person following two threads on two forums for page after page of discussion could see I simply misspoke, especially a person who was INITIATING parts of the discussion with a whole thread, IN WHICH DARNAY NOT SHOWING UP FOR BECKNER'S DEPO WAS A KEY POST OF HERS RESPONDING TO MINE, said topic of which gutter candy was complaining herself orginally about what I had already said about Darnay NOT being at BECKNER'S DEPO.

Ridiculous, isn't it?

But thanks for the info anyway, gutter candy. So Darnay was there at Smit's depo...BY PHONE. hahaha Yeah, the MOST IMPORTANT WITNESS DEPOSED FOR THE RAMSEYS...and Darnay makes a phone call. He must have been intimidating beyond belief! His skills of questioning witnesses must be super-human! He has no need to even be there, to study the body language of the witness, to do his best job possible!

HE JUST PHONES IT IN! :takeabow:

 

One more thing....

I noticed this, but I was discussing other things, so didn't mention it, but before the swampsters all end up in the nervous ward....

Jayelles, I think you read the intent of the Ramseys as stated in the motion about sealing some of the depositions backward: they didn't want the depositions sealed, by and large, with a few exceptions of material regarding suspects/case file info not yet publicly known--or something like that.

Of course, since they never released Smit's, but they did release many others, and since we have no way of knowing what info in depositions they didn't release and why, we can hardly pat them on the back for yet another well-executed propaganda campaign by Lin Wood.

 

From Camera Staff Writer Christine Reid (June, 10, 2003) (Journey Beyond Reason, p. 210/211)

"In addition, Lou Smit, a retired Colorado Springs detective who worked on the case for former District Attorney Alex Hunter, has volunteered a day and a half of his time a week since Keenan's office took over."

So Smit came back after Keenan took over. Oh, how I'd like to know what Tom Bennett thought of Lou's 'bullsmit' (poster Little coined that word which fits his intruder theory to a T, lol).

Is Smit still working on the case now? (I hope not!!).

 

Well, yeah, Smit got himself BACK inside the DA's Office, in spite of obsconding with case files LAST TIME and handing Hunter his a$$ on a platter. Since Smit was then able to see all the NEW CASE DEVELOPMENTS OF EVIDENCE, compliments of Keenan, stuff he hadn't seen since he last ran off with the files, I guess it's safe to assume Team Ramsey has had their hands all over it as well, haven't they, now that Smit is OFF the case YET AGAIN.

My guess is that Detective Bennett handed him his hat at some point with all the INTRUDER THIS and INTRUDER THAT BSmit.

So...once again, the only suspects EVER linked to the evidence in this murder know everything LE knows about it. What a way to run a murder investigation.

But I have minor news, dear fellow guttah lowlifes.

Going through all the documents and files that Pacer would give me access to last night, straight from the US District Court of Northern Georgia, I managed to find out a few things about the Wolf suit that are kinda' interesting, in a trivia sort of way. Off the top of my head, without posting the documents in total (they are in picture format, so I just printed out most of those I could view, but if you want to see them for yourself, you can register with the Pacer site and view/copy them for 8 cents/page), here are a few facts I found:

1. None of the depositions are available online at Pacer; "You do not have access to this file" is the response I got on stuff that is still sealed, like some court orders, exhibits and depositions--at least, on the Pacer site, anyhow. So we're not getting Smit's depo there, at any rate.

2. The DA/the City of Boulder fought to have the 911 call sealed under the court's protective order, won temporarily, with Wood arguing for not sealing it...and then the BDA turned around and withdrew the the motion. This was filed March 28, 2003, 3 days before Judge Carnes' decision for the defendants came down. Here's how it reads:

Here's the intesresting part: "At the request of the District Attorney for the Twentieth Judicial District of Boulder, Colorado, the City hereby withdraws its Motion and also withdraws its designation of the audio recording, as well as its designation of the review of the audio recording by the Ramseys' counsel, as confidential."

Now I'm wondering: when the suit started, was Keenan DA or was Hunter still DA? The protective order was originally issued May 20, 2001. But Keenan saw fit to finally release the 911 tape...at the Ramseys' request, as we can see. Hunter fought long and hard to keep that tape out of the Ramseys' hands, even though he lost when a judge gave it to Burke, as per the Grand Jury witness laws at the time of the Grand Jury. Still, the call was under protection of the DA's Office from public release...up until this little play by Keenan.

So...wonder who contributed to Keenan's campaign for DA? We saw some of that list long ago...but now I am wondering.... Probably nothing to this wondering....

3. Another thing that I found is that the judge ordered the Ramseys' "recover its costs" for the suit. That came to the grand sum of "$38, 141.49." And that did not include any attorneys' fees, by the way, which could easily be tens of thousands for all parties in a case like this. So anyone who thinks they're going to run out and SUESUESUE for fun, now you can see that's not how it works. It's expensive and most attornies won't even let you in the door without a very large retainer--for this reason.

So here is how Wood broke down the costs to be recovered:

So...somebody got paid to serve summons and subpoena to witnesses;

The largest fees (almost $30 thou) were for depositions, for the court reporter AND VIDEOGRAPHER, which was quite expensive;

Steve Thomas got a $90.00 witness fee...which seems to be purely for insult, as far as I can tell;

About $4,000 was for copying documents, etc.;

And the "Other" was basically hotel rooms and airfare.

Which leads me to the next item of interest.

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4. Wood didn't actually ask for any costs like hotel and airfare to Boulder, say, for him or his attornies--except ONCE. He did ask for hotel and airfare costs which resulted from the trip to depose Stratbucker in Nebraska, due to DARNAY FIRING STRATBUCKER AN HOUR INTO STRATBUCKER'S DEPOSITION.

Even more funny--DARNAY WAS ONLY AT THE DEPOSITION BY PHONE--AGAIN. How do you fire your expert on a conference phone call? Just wondering....

Well, since I know "somebody" will be writhing on the floor over this at that "other forum" and "you all know where that is," here's what Wood said in his affadavit:

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So...what's next...let me think, let me think....

 

Oh, yeah...SOMEONE...and you all KNOW who I mean...said the reason Darnay didn't even show up by phone for Beckner's deposition...was because there was "some confusion" about the date and Darnay had to be in court.

Well, I don't know but that's true...however...as Lin Wood lists in his "costs" filings under "'IN-HOUSE' COPYING AND PRINTING COSTS"...the "Notice of Deposition of Mark R. Beckner" and one for Carrie Weinheimer, as well, were both copied/printed on 11/02/01. Then there are documents on file which are signed by Wood on Nov. 2, 2001, which state that all parties were notified that Beckner and Weinheimer were going to be deposed on Nov. 26, 2001, Beckner at 9 am and Weinheimer at 2 pm. Both Darnay, address listed for NY, and his co-counsel, Evan Altman, address listed for GA, are named as notified on all the notice documents.

Just saying...seems the plaintiff's case was a mess, pretty much, all along.

Think about it. You're a lawyer, you're up against a well-known pit bull like Wood...and you don't even bother to show up IN PERSON to depose your own key witness? Then you don't bother to show up IN PERSON to depose the DEFENDANTS' key witnesses? Some you're not even there BY PHONE?

Hey, bellyache all the excuses you want, BUT WOOD SHOWED UP, DIDN'T HE? AND...he won. Thing is, now I can easily see why.

JMO

 

Great find KK. Very interesting. Wonder why the word "fired" is in quotes?commas?

 

Let's see...one more thing, but I'm not sure how to handle it.

Seems the last document on file came from...our very own...GUTTER CANDY!

Yep, you heard it right here, lazies and bents! Gutter Candy wrote to the venerable Judge Carnes her very self! And why...you ask...?

Wait for it....

To request that Fleet White's depo be unsealed!

I am not making this up. I'll post the letter entirely later, gotta' run now. I have the document, but hesitate to have it posted because it's the acrobat version/picture and it has all gutter candy's personal info on it. I'm not that into posting personal info on forums, even if it is readily available. Too much abuse of that kind of thing has gone on in the past.

But here's the pip: if gutter candy had to ask Carnes to unseal White's depo...guess that means gutter candy also doesn't have Smit's depo. So I was wrong about that, it would seem. Guess Darnay didn't hand case info over to gutter candy willy nilly. Now I'm wondering, how much does she just pretend to know, vs how much does she know? Maybe all those "documents" she claims to have came right off the Pacer site, which I have used for years and revealed as a source long ago on WS, after which gutter candy started showing up with her "documents" from there, I noticed.

I mean, I would never claim I used the site 13 months before anyone else...doncha know.... But she never even THANKED me...no manners, I guess. :thumbsup:

hahaha How stupid this all is. I must be bored out of my mind to even bother with this stuff anymore. The blind leading the blind. :sucks:

But I can now swear to this under oath: I DIDN'T STEAL ANY OF THESE DOCUMENTS! I PAID FOR THEM! SO NOW...

THEY'RE MINEMINEMINE!
I OWN THEM!
GET YOUR FILTHY TRUTH MURDERING PAWS OFF THEM!
BECAUSE LE IGNORES YOU LYING THIEVING LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!​

AChhKKKCh...Looo...KKKAAAHHHCCKKKK...wuwuwuwuooaaagh....

brain...shutting...down.... :fight: