New 48 Hours Rebuttal Thread

Ok guys. WE ( notice I said WE) have a project.

We took apart the Judge's decision in the case. Now we must do the same?

Why? Because we can. Because we, as in the people on the Internet who care, are the ones left to tell the truth. Also, you never know who may read it.

BobC, I am going to need you. Are you up for it? What do I need to do for you to get you to bring your brilliant understanding of this case to our project?

 

Here is the odd footnote. I was told by one of the producers of 48 hours last fall that the show was going to be about Henry Lee and his new book. Tracey's crap was just a little bit of it.

Granted this was way back in September but I sure didn't see any mention of Henry Lee's new book on Saturday.

BobC, glad you are in. I will be giving assignments soon.

 

Here is an update on Michael Tracey.
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5729

 

Sabrina, you are amazing. Thank you for bringing this to us. It explains alot. It makes perfect sense.

You did what 48 Hours SHOULD HAVE DONE. Checked the facts. What a concept right?

Many times you go above and beyond the call of duty.

 

I received this email today. I'll post the whole thing.

I am thrilled when I get email like this one. It tells me that, like we all suspected, no one is buying the Ramsey con.

I have no idea who this person is.

Hey Tricia,

I am not a member of your forums, but often lurk.

The 48 Hours Unspecial really burned me up with the outright lies and distortions.

I don't know what your plans are for the rebuttal thread, but I hope you will insert this to strengthen whatever action it is you plan to take. Sorry if it is repetitive at times, but I really want to get these points across.

Keep up the fight and the good work.

Sincerely,

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“Boulder police brushed aside the thousands of leads that came inâ€

“…we have formally interviewed 590 people, some more than once; …we have investigated 68 people as possible suspects, plus an additional 54 convicted sex offenders as possible suspects… we have logged 1,058 items of evidence into property; over 500 pieces of evidence have been tested through federal, state and private labs; we conducted the investigation in 17 states; we have received approximately 3,400 letters and 700 phone tips;†(Thanks to Little for supplying this data.)


“…they (BPD) leaked information to the media –“

As did the Ramsey’s.


,â€â€¦investigators are no longer focusing on the Ramsey family, correspondent Moriarty reveals... “

One of these is Smit, who initailly sabotaged his integrity and impartiality by meeting and praying with the R’s.

“…John San Augustin. He and Ollie Gray were originally hired by the Ramseys in 1999…â€

This alone compromises their ability to be impartial and conduct an unbiased investigation.

“…Detectives working for the Boulder district attorney….,are finally concentrating their efforts on the underside of Boulder that was largely ignored during the initial investigation. “

“…we have formally interviewed 590 people, some more than once; we have utilized 64 outside experts and consultants; we have investigated 68 people as possible suspects, plus an additional 54 convicted sex offenders as possible suspects.â€

And what do they mean by “Finally�


“Within a two-mile radius of where the Ramseys once lived, 38 of their neighbors are registered sex offenders.â€

“…we have formally interviewed…54 convicted sex offenders as possible suspects.â€


“From the outset, police never seriously considered the evidence that someone outside the Ramsey family may have killed JonBenet.â€

This is a lie. Exactly what evidence pointed to an outsider? Even John said it was an inside job. And who else in the beginning was suspect besides the hightailing lawyer hiring R’s? And the R’s immediately threw all of their friends under the bus from the get go and they were all investigated with a fine toothed comb, as were other suspects such as Colfax, Bootman, Santa Bill and others I can't think of right now.


"This murder was not conducted upstairs in a nice bedroom. This murder was conducted in a basement, and it was very vicious." Smit.

Were fibers from the rope found on the bed sheets or is this an internet rumor?


“Autopsy results showed evidence that JonBenet may have been subdued with a stun gun.â€

This is a lie. Nothing in the autopsy indicates stun gun use.


“The current investigation also focuses on the possibility of two intruders, because of two very clear, and different, boot prints in the room where JonBenet was found.â€

Weren’t one of these prints determined to be from Burke’s shoes?


“And, there's another clue investigators are interested in: a rope found in the bedroom next to JonBenet's. “

? What does this rope have to do with JonBenet’s murder?



“….a report of an unknown blue van spotted outside the Ramsey house the night before and the day after JonBenet was murdered.â€

Is this the same van JR said he saw looking out the window and told BPD A FEW HOURS after seeing it?




" ’I believe the technology of today makes it extraordinarily difficult for a killer not to leave his calling card,"’ says police forensic specialist Greg LaBerge"

Exactly! So why haven’t foreign fibers, substantial DNA, fingerprints been found outside of the family?

“(LeBerge) believes he has the DNA for the man he suspects is the killer of JonBenet Ramsey. “

Is this factual or just a belief?


â€It has taken years to isolate, but forensic scientists in Colorado now have a complete DNA profile of the killer. They know the killer is a male.â€

" ‘Right now, the DNA profile that's in hand doesn't match anyone associated with the investigation, so that would include the parents,’ says LaBerge, the Denver police scientist who believes this is the last and best hope to crack the case. ‘If the DNA never matches someone, the case, depending on the rest of the investigation, may never be solved.’ â€
Is this true? What is Henry Lee’s take on this? Didn’t he say this is not a DNA case? Isn’t the DNA too degraded or minute to match anyone?



“Augustin and Gray (R’s detectives) are convinced that the DNA sample belongs to JonBenet's killer, because of a small amount of matching DNA that also was found under the 6-year-old murder victim's fingernails. “

Again, isn’t this DNA too degraded to match anyone? And did the fingernail and panty DNA match each other?





“…the DA's office is using this DNA profile to investigate several suspects in the case. …One of those suspects came to lightâ€

This DNA doesn’t match Helgoth or the Candy Cane Man, so why bother to bring them in on the show?



“ ’Mike was pretty happy around late November, about him and a partner making a killer deal, and they were each gonna make $50,000 or $60,000.’ " Kenady

B]So why haven’t the R’s investigators found all his acquaintances and swabbed them????[/B]

" ‘Then Christmas goes -- comes. And then he's really depressed. And there's no money. And then he said that he wanted to crack a human skull…’" Kenady

Now is Kenady saying that Helgoth said he wanted to crack a human skull AFTER CHRISTMAS? AFTER the murder?


" ‘His friends say that he owns several stun guns, that he was a gun nut…’ " Gray

“The stun gun is important because Gray and San Augustin believe, from examining autopsy photos, that JonBenet was incapacitated with one at some point during her attack.â€

“ ‘In that time frame, 1995-95 time frame, the only stun gun that had a laser sight on it was Air Taser,’ " says Gray, who adds that he believes this was the same type of stun gun used on JonBenet.â€

Nevermind what they believe, where’s the proof? What stun guns did Helgoth own? And what, in their “expert†opinion, leads them to the conclusion that a stun gun, IF one was used, was Helgoths? Where’s the proof of any of it?????


“San Augustin showed 48 Hours the underside of Helgoth's boot. ‘On the left is the high tech impression that was made in the area where JonBenet's body was found,’ says San Augustin.

“ ‘There's no reason for Helgoth's boot to be in the Ramsey home where JonBenet's body was found.’ " Exactly!


“The investigators turned the boots over to the Boulder police, who NOWclaim their investigation showed they were the wrong size for a match.â€

BPD claimed this years ago. Why did 48 Hours even go down this path?



“But they have yet to be turned over to the district attorney for further analysis.â€

Why not? Oh, never mind, why bother??? The rest of the Helgoth saga is not worth going over. Nothing, not his fibers, fingerprints, DNA were left at the crime scene. He is a dead end moot non-suspect.

“But there is one thing investigators are sure of: Helgoth's DNA does not match the DNA profile sitting in the Denver crime lab.†Same with Olivia. So why bother reporting on either one of them?



“But the Boulder DA investigators still have a list of people they'd like to talk to, reportedly more than 100 names – including Oliva and anyone who can shed more light on the mysterious death of Michael Helgoth. “

Well? What’s stopping them? Olivia can be eliminated. Seems they are trying to fabricate a Helgoth connection.

" ‘If you look at the case real close, you'll see that quite possibly there was more than one person involved,’ says San Augustin.â€

Yes, and they are still under that pesky umbrella.


“How did 6-year-old JonBenet become a target? Gray and San Augustin have a theory of how she may have been marked for death.â€

Never mind theories. Everybody I know has one. Where’s the proof?



“Before going to bed, Amy's mother turned on the burglar alarm. Around midnight, Amy woke up to find a man standing over her bed, his hand over her mouth. ‘She remembered the intruder addressing her by her name,’ says Peterson. ‘He said, “I know who you are.†' He repeated those things a few times, apparently. “I'll knock you out. Shut up.†"

Where was his stun gun? Not the same MO.

"He (Peterson) made surveillance videotapes, and showed 48 Hours vehicles that he believes were used by a roving band of criminals. ‘We did tail them at one point, within two blocks from the Ramsey house,’ says Peterson, who watched the neighborhood for weeks. “

And did Peterson catch anyone doing anything? Where’s the proof they were a “roving band of criminals�??? This sounds like a line meant for the infamous ransom note.



“48 Hours has discovered that, of Colorado's most dangerous sex offenders, one in eight also has prior convictions for burglary or robbery. ‘They burglarize and sexually assault if the opportunity presents itself,’ says Peterson.

This is not uncommon at all among rapists. Breaking and entering is the pre-text.


“He (Peterson) did background checks on his suspects in Amy's case, and discovered that some of them had at one time worked at the Ramsey home. “

AND???? What else did he discover? And why weren’t the swabs brought out?!



“Peterson, who went so far as to collect the sample of one man's handwriting. ‘We talked with him several times. ...We had him write something.‘

"Peterson then had an expert compare that handwriting to the Ramsey ransom note. He claims he found distinct similarities were found, but " ’ handwriting analysis is kind of an art. It's pretty subjective.’ "

Guess it wasn’t a match. Did it have more similarities than Patsy’s handwriting?

â€He also collected cigarette butts found outside Amy's house, and discovered that the ‘same brands were found in the Ramseys' alley’ ."

Why haven’t those cigarette butt filters DNA been matched with the ones found in the Ramsey alley? That would prove something one way or the other.


“…but a grand jury failed to indict the Ramseys -– in large part because of one critical piece of evidence. It was the unexplained male DNA in JonBenet's underwear.â€

How does 48 Hours know this? Isn’t all of this still sealed?

“Now, the same DNA that saved the Ramseys from indictment is finally being used to check out the dozens and dozens of suspects who were ignored for years.â€

Well? Where’s the beef? And again, isn’t this DNA too degraded or minute to match anyone?


“48 Hours reports that there is now what's believed to be a complete DNA profileof JonBenet Ramsey's killer.â€

Never mind what is BELIEVED, and by WHO? How about some proof???? Who says there IS a complete DNA profile? And if so, why wasn’t Henry Lee consulted on this? What is his legitimately expert opinion on this new information?

“ And there's strong evidence that he may have had an accomplice and that he may have tried to kill again. “

What evidence? All that’s evident is BELIEFS, not PROOF. And “May Haves†don’t make it so.

I thought this was a one sided, biased and blatantly false program.

I also think they are irresponsible or sorely uniformed of the facts. Where was the rebuttal or the challenge to each point of nonsense? It’s unfortunate that people who haven’t followed the case or aren’t up on the facts will believe this crock and the untruths, or the fence sitters will be swayed to fall into this pit of lies.

48 Hours did a disgusting disservice to justice and the viewing public airing this time wasting unbalanced program.

And yes, all of the above is just my opinion.
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