Patsy's Third Bout with Ovarian Cancer.

You don't DEMAND respect or sympathy.
That said I find it funny that we're now s'pose to put ourselves in Patsys place, when in all these years we we're told we shouldn't.

You know why.... Because when we do put ourselves in Patsys position there ain't a d@mn thing about Patsys actions and reactions that we would have done likewise.

 

Ok I'll play along..........lets say she didnt kill JBR.She is still guilty of obstruction of justice for her ongoing part of a cover-up,therefore shes not exactly innocent...................


For The Record: I think Pats or Burke did it (I waiver back/forth) but the one thing Im sure of is JOHN AND PATSY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED,WHO DID IT,WHY IT HAPPENED AND THEYVE BEEN COVERING THE TRUTH UP SINCE DAY 1..............other than that its pure speculation on my part!

 

John Ramsey and Patsy Ramsey are, according to Robert Ressler way back in 1997, "Harboring a guilty knowledge of what happened to their daughter." I've never heard it better put. We will never know who did what or why exactly, but that's as far as anybody can say definitively. How sad we may never know.

Jayelles I agree. Cancer is so unpredictable.

 

I have zero respect for Patsy Ramsey and zero respect for John Ramsey. I don't know which one of them killed JB. I think one of them did.

However, the reason I have no respect for Patsy Ramsey is not because I think she may have been responsible for her daughter's death. I don't need the "humility" to say I could be wrong about her, because I have no firm conviction on which Ramsey killed JB (but I do believe one of them did it and both covered it up).

The reason I have no respect for her is because I think she's a fraud and a liar. I can't respect anyone just because someone else says I should. Patsy's actions are anything but deserving of respect. I can't say I ever respected Patsy Ramsey - how do you respect someone you don't even know? It's only when a person exhibits behavior that warrants respect that I will give it to them, outside of any normal respect I would give any total stranger. I lost even that kind of respect when I read her own words in the Ramseys' book - so self-serving and full of herself. Watching her actions on TV told me much about Patsy Ramsey, as well.

I lost my much loved sister to a horrible kind of cancer, a different kind of female cancer than Patsy's and something I hope no female anywhere ever has to go through. I know for a fact that Patsy Ramsey has never been ravaged by her cancer the way my sister was ravaged by hers. No one needs to tell me what Patsy's been through. I knew many women who had ovarian cancer while my sister was being mutilated by her cancer and the surgery that tried to save her life. In a way, ovarian cancer would have been much kinder than the kind she had, so I get a little testy when someone asks me to feel sorry for Patsy because of what she's going through. SHe looks damn healthy to me, and she milks her cancer for all its worth.

Oh, don't misunderstand me, I wouldn't wish cancer on Patsy Ramsey. I wouldn't wish chemo or radiation on anyone, nor would I ever wish the radical surgery and subsequent bowel blockages and lung collapses that resulted in chest tube after chest tube being plunged through my sister's ribs into her pleural cavity. Once you've heard the screams from someone having a chest tube inserted, you never, ever forget it. I sometimes have had cause to wonder about Patsy's bout with Stage IV ovarian cancer. I wonder about the reoccurances and how she never seems to lose weight, always looks healthy even though she claims to be having strong chemicals put in her veins to kill the cancer cells. I wonder that she had defied the odds when every ovarian cancer patient I saw in the hospital could either not get out of bed or could hardly walk because they were so debilitated from the chemo.

I would be the last one to ever mock a cancer patient. I know Patsy Ramsey has cancer. I hope she hasn't exaggerated her condition to be worse than it is just to gain sympathy. That could really pis$ me off. We have only the Ramseys' and Lin Wood's word that these things are happening. Who knows what the real truth is?

All I know is that my sister went through holy hell for three years, including massive mutilating surgeries and "dying" for 20 minutes when a blood clot struck her lung. She was a beautiful, strong person with everything to live for, and she fought hard. She had god-awful pain that necessitated her wearing a morphine pump. She was nearly a skeleton when she crossed over. I still carry a big hurt inside of me, after 17 years since she died, whenever I think of how she suffered. I don't want Patsy Ramsey to suffer that way; I don't want anybody to suffer that way. I also will not tolerate anyone making a mockery out of what real cancer patients go through just to gain attention for themselves. I know I'm not the only one on this forum who has lost a loved one to this insiduous disease, and I'd bet they feel the same way. I would give anyone who is truly suffering all the support I can. I will crucify anyone who lies about her condition to gain favorable attention for herself.

It's personal with me.

 

I forgot one thing. We are all terminal.

 

Now Doc.....

Don't mind me if I pass on the Guilt Trip you've laid out for me today. I will still feel the same regarding Performing Patsy even if you are correct in your assumption that Daddy Did It.

As I smoke my ciggie without wearing sunblock, I am putting myself in Patsy's shoes. Good enough for ya?

 

A very deep and moving post WY, and I understand what you're saying here.
I really am sorry your sister suffered so much.

 

Well well well, how enlightening to be told to attempt to treat “her†with just a bit more respect and sympathy. What the heck is that supposed to mean? As if. Feeling sympathy for someone’s illness and feeling as if that same person has not done the right thing when it comes to their murdered child are not in any way related. Attempting to garner a pass and support for your own personal theory because that person is ill is a cheap shot and is a fairly transparent and self-serving attempt to manipulate others on to your theory bandwagon IMO.

Little

 

One would find it hard to believe that anyone would pretend they had cancer, but it is a fact that they do.

One of my many student jobs was as a carer in a nursing home. There I worked beside a woman who told me she was receiving radiation treatment for cancer. I was so worried about this woman because when we worked shifts together, she would often sigh and sit down. I used to tell her to take it easy and I worked twice as hard. I felt so sorry for her having to work when she was ill. I found out after many months that she was a compulsive liar and didn't have cancer at all.

Then there is a well documented case of a female who was part of the UK's "Changing Rooms" team. She faked cancer and extorted money from many sympathetic people.

Recently, I read about a woman who pretended her young daughter was terminally ill with cancer - even shaving her hair off and pushing her around in a wheelchair.

I had a discussion recently with someone and we marvelled at patsy Ramsey surviving this long after Stage 4 cancer. Apparently it is extremely unusual. I would imagine that she would be of great interest to cancer researchers. I have also wondered if *something* about the trauma of JonBenet's murder has caused some chemical reaction in her body which has countered the cancer. I don't know if this is a daft thought because I'm not a scientist, but we've all heard about some pretty amazing feats of human accomplishment which has been made possible by chemicals released during fear .... who knows?

 

I have not been inclined to give Patsy the benefit of the doubt on her cancer story. Why, after all, should she be rigorously truthful about that aspect of her life when so many other aspects (her lying about knowing of John's mistress, her lying about making a major donation to a charitable cause, her lying about how insignificant the pageants were to her and JonBenet, etc.) are proveably false? But I thought, well, There Is Another. One of the women Patsy took her treatments with at the NIH was Barbara Sanders, who had a lesser stage of cancer (IIIc), and continued to live on. So maybe it was possible.

Now I have found out that even Barbara Sanders died of her cancer, in August of 2003. So really, why should we believe Patsy continues to get sick and bounce back, when every single other woman in the clinical trial who received the exact same treatment, and for less-severe stages, is dead? Even Patsy herself can no longer claim God wants her to live, because He seems quite intent on killing her.

 

This is in response to

DocG. You were kidding weren't you DocG? Asking us all to have pity and understanding for poor Patsy with her cancer and treatments. Come on now really you were weren't you?

With all of the moving tributes here esp WY's I'm inclined to come to an opinion that not one person here disrespects Patsy as far as her cancer is concerned (well almost all of us including me too). Patsy has not been a truthful person or a likable person since we first came to "know" her. So is it any wonder that when she goes out on another round of treatment for her 'cancer' one has to wonder about how truthful she really is. My own dear Mother had breast cancer and in the days when she had her radical surgery there was no other kind of surgery but to do the huge type of body destruction that was done to her. Then came the chemo. She shrunk to almost nothing. She was as my brother put it a tiny lump in the bed. It was heart wrentching and very painful for all of us to witness.

And DocG as for humility, well I've had a huge dose of that lately and let me tell you it doesn't taste good. Just for once I'd like Patsy to come clean and stop her posturing. As soon as any kind of news dies down surrounding the Ramseys is when Patsy's cancer flares up again. How convient is that? This has gone on for years and years. No I can't give you chapter and verse and dates and comparisons but all of us here have seen it and read it over and over again. (They did get a good dose of humility when John lost in his bid for election to the House)

Now again DocG, you were kidding right? Come on....admit it.

 

Yup!

Doc G left off his sarcasm tags. Inadvertently. He's so meticulous, ya know.

Somehow the words "respect" and "Patsy Ramsey" just don't go right in the same sentance. :eye:

Know 'm talkin' 'bout??? :shutup:

 

Here is a link to the story I mentioned above:-

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=233&id=188032002

Here's another one:-

http://static.highbeam.com/b/birminghampost/october172003/iliedabouthavingcancersayssoccerstar/

 

Actually all things considered. it hasn't been all that easy for those of us who have said that we do wish Patsy all the best with her Cancer treatment, when we know the amount of lies both Ramseys have told from day one, but we genuinely meant it.

Having said that, I join WY in saying I would be more than annoyed to discover the cancer flare-ups were invented to draw sympathy from the crowds for whatever reason.

 

Jayelles,
Which one is Liz?Not the ginger "punky" haired one who is also on 'House Invaders'? Everytime I think changing rooms I only picture Laurence!



There were two diff. women I can think of offhand who were caught here in the states lying about cancer(one said her daughter had it the other said she herself had it and shaved her head!) but theres undoubtedly more.People lie about being pregnant,illnesses etc all the time Most have sociopathic tendencies.Sort of like someone who covers up their child's murder...........just throwing it out there!


EDITED: Heres yet ANOTHER story about a person lying about cancer:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=188022002

 

I didn't know that, WY

Watching You I am so sad to hear about your sister. We all love you very much on this forum.

 

This is Liz Wagstaff - I think she may be your punky redhead:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/759073.stm

I remember the case of the Fettes teacher. That was awful. What a sick thing to do.

 

Thanks, Bob. I've seen cancer up close and very personal. While I would never say one person's cancer was worse than another's, I will say that my sister's cancer necessitated mutilation of her most private places, not once or twice, but three different times when the cancer returned. She also had cancer on her bowel and had to have a colostomy during the same surgery and a couple of follow up surgeries for bowel blockages. She was devastated not only physically but also mentally and emotionally. She suffered greatly over the three years she fought the cancer. That's one reason I reacted so strongly to mame's "burned to the bone" description of Nancy Krebs. Mame wouldn't know burned to the bone if she saw it, but I would. My sister's doctor scraped cancer cells off my sister's pubic bone - she was cut to and into the bone.

I am not a doctor, but like I said - I've seen cancer up close and personal. I saw stage IV ovarian and cervical cancer victims at Roswell Cancer Hospital. I grew quite close to some of them. One woman, as a last ditch attempt to save her, had radiation tubes stuck in her vagina. I grieved when these women died, along with my sister who grew close to them. I know what cancer looks like, and Patsy Ramsey does not look like someone fighting stage IV ovarian cancer. I'm not saying she isn't, I'm saying she doesn't look like she is. There is a certain look terminal cancer victims have, I can't describe it. Couple that with the fact that I don't believe one damn thing Patsy Ramsey says, and maybe it could be understood why I have doubts about Patsy's alleged ongoing fight with cancer.