Ramsey 911 call

They're so full of it, I think they'll need more than a depends....

 

"Why?", she asks?

Helllloooooo Tricia...I may not be as bright as BobC, but you don't know the answer to that question???

Seriously, why do you think Wood worked so hard to get the BPD off this case? He couldn't get away with his scams and lies with the BPD on the case.

So he "got" Keenan on his side doing exactly what he wants her to do. Then she turns around and stacks the deck of ever getting an unbiased, objective investigation. She not only hires Lou Smit, but she brings in John Douglas!

Woody's right where he wants to be...controlling the whole thing. The prosecutor's on his side, he gets dumbo Darnay to agree to stipulated facts in Wolf, ergo the infamous Carnes decision, an investigation filled with Ramseys' people.

You really think Keenan's going to blink if Wood says the cops edited the 911 tape?

I don't think so.

You're getting really good with these exposes, Tricia. I hope this latest scandal with the 911 tape bites them really good in their collective :behind: :behind: :behind:

 

You've all heard the expression

"give a man enough rope, he'll hang himself."

I don't think anything will happen to the Ramseys (legally) because of the public disclosure of the voices at the end of that 911 tape. It isn't information the BPD didn't already have since early in the case, and it isn't information Keenan herself hasn't heard if she has listened to that enhanced tape. If it didn't result in getting the Ramseys arrested back then, it won't get them arrested now. If Burke's voice is on that tape, and I believe it is, along with JR's and Patsy's voices) they lied when they said Burke was asleep in bed, there can be no disputing that.

What they would do, however, is claim, even now, that they were trying to protect him from the media or that they were in such turmoil, they couldn't remember that part. Look how Patsy got away with changing her story on the heart drawn on JB's hand. First she said that she had seen that heart that morning, there was no mistaking what she meant when she said it - the morning of December 26, she claimed to have seen the heart on JB's hand. However, at the next interview, I believe it was the next day, she completely turned her story about seeing the heart around - now she wasn't sure if she just had imagined she saw the heart because she had read about it. Inconsistent stories, but not enough to arrest her for murder or obstruction of justice. At least, not enough by Boulder standards.

What the voices on the tape would do, however, is totally discredit Lin Wood and the Ramseys even further in the public eye. This wouldn't just be Internet fodder, it would be public humiliation once the media gets hold of an enhanced tape where the voices of JR and Burke can be heard.

It has never made any sense to me that John Ramsey would have been hostile to his son during that period. Even if Ramsey were upset because his daughter was missing, was he heard snapping at Patsy? No, he was heard snapping at his young son. I've always believed Steve Thomas when he said the voices were there. I've never been able to reconcile in my mind why Ramsey would be scornful toward his son, unless his son had done something the Ramseys were attempting to cover up and JR was angry with Burke.

But, then, I am one who thought (and still think) Burke Ramsey never should have been cleared of JBR's murder unless and until the Boulder PD had strong and clear evidence of who murdered JBR, evidence that would have exonerated Burke. Here it is almost seven years after the fact, and we have the bozos in Boulder still trying to pin the murder on an intruder. The only thing they can prove is JBR is seven years dead. They can't prove who killed her. And, they can't prove Burke Ramsey wasn't somehow involved. That is not a statement of my belief that Burke was involved, it is a statement of my belief that anyone in that house should remain a suspect until there is substantial evidence to prove otherwise. As it stands right now, that evidence doesn't exist, no matter how the RST tries to spin it. I don't know who killed JBR, but I believe it was someone who lived in that house.

 

LW knew the taped voices would not be audible over television, so he knew he could get some milage out of it as "yet another BPD lie."

You know, with he exception of Steve Thomas, nobody from the BPD has discussed any evidence, for or against the Ramseys, with the media. So when I keep hearing about police dept "lies" I really want a source. Until someone shows me a source, LW saying the BPD was the source of the leaks is just his opinion and nothing more.

I hope someone like Jane Harmer quits the force, claims mental duress, slander and libel by LW, and sues him.

 

Well, Trish

Don't forget, Tricia, Wood went to Boulder, met with the BPD, and heard the enhanced tape. He went back to Atlanta and threatened to sue the BPD if they weren't taken off the case.

Once they were taken off and it was in Keenan's hands, Wood felt confident he could get away with lying. Officially, the records are now in the DA's hands. As we've seen, she distributes the unenhanced copy of the tape. He's got her in his back pocket. The only people (I guess he thought) that could catch him in his lies were the BPD...which is why he set out from the beginning to discredit them by saying they were liars.

See how it works?

He sowed the seed...the BPD are liars.

He heard the tape, knew the BPD had evidence against the Ramseys, so he threatened to sue the BPD.

Keenan succumbs to his threats and pulls the case.

She's got his backside, so he goes on the air and talks about police lies and oh, btw, here's the real 911 tape...no voices, just Patsy. Proof the BPD lie and fabricate evidence against his clients.

So even if the BPD come out and say...Wood's copy of the tape is edited...who's going to believe them? And besides, what can they do? Arrest him?

We're talking the Republic of Boulder where the DA runs everything...including the issuance of arrest warrants.

The BPD couldn't arrest the Ramseys when the wanted to; what makes you think Keenan's going to back an arrest of Wood?

So your expose is exciting. Wood thought he had this all wrapped up nice and neat.

And then you came along.

He's going to rue the day he sent you that nasty little email.

Of course, Nancy Krebbs could say the same thing, eh? I guess she and Mame rue the day you were called and threatened.

ROTFLMAO....you're doing great, Tricia, keep it up!

 

Tricia:

"Ginja I know what you are saying but I still am trying to figure
out why now? Why make a fool of yourself like Wood did by
going on TV and claiming there is nothing on the tape?

Psychotically egotistical. That's all I can say."

Could there be more to it? Exposed false statements made to the media may get you loss of credibility. Exposed false statements made under oath during a deposition can get you jail time.

Suppose John says in a deposition that Burke was asleep, then tells NE Burke was awake and crying during the same time period. If the enhanced tape denies the former and confirms the latter, wouldn't Wood perhaps try to diffuse the issue by introducing doubt in pointing to an alleged conspiracy by the BPD and claiming there is no such authentic tape? If such a tape exists, recanting or saying NE did not understand (or edited) won't fly.

The problem with this strategy is that it calls focus upon the issue that Wood is trying to bury. If and when the enhanced tape shows up and confirms Burke's voice on said tape, what Wood has accomplished is to boil himself in hot oil. In other words, stick a fork in him. He's done. I don't think he took this foolish, high risk route except to try to divert some potentially serious consequences from the information on the tape.

 

911

Didn't Michael Kane sort of kind of dispute it-- as much as he could --on the Dan Abrams show?

What on earth did the BPD lie about?

I am sick of people calling Steve Thomas a liar too. I have yet to see proof of one thing that "he lied" about.

However, there are plenty of things the Ramseys lied about when one compares D.O.I. to the interrogation tapes. LOTS.

 

1) Burke was actually awake rather than asleep. "They forgot or were protecting him."
2) John was gruff with Burke so he isn't the "perfect dad." He can say he has an excuse - his child was missing.
3) Burke asks, "What <b>did</b> you find," hence, he implicates the parents found something that morning but what? The Ramseys can easily state it was the ransom note.


IMH&CPO there is something else going on. Is there is more on that tape that hasn't been leaked and has Lin Wood totally lost what few scruples he had to begin with?

Fast forward. Jammy Sue's friend Dave enhanced the tape and stated there is something on the front end of the tape as well as the back end of the tape. Do you suppose someone figured out what was being said at the beginning of the tape too and maybe that is why all is quiet at the Swamp?

Remember Jameson's stated reasons for ever leaving the case.


Reckon Aerospace threatened to expose Wood?



How is Patsy's health these days? Has anyone heard anything? Could there be a connection to the sudden quiet?


Is this the quiet before the storm?

 

Well, it worked so far

Why Wood they stop lying now?

Remember John and Patsy's little interview with the National Enquirer? The dreadful tabloid that the Ramseys hated somehow ended up with an exclusive Q&A session as part of one of those silly little civil suit settlements.

Remember? Patsy made cookies and John made excuses.

Burke was awake that morning?! Oh My! And the Ramseys reported this to WHO? The investigators in charge of their Daughter's murder? Nooooooooo. This Bit of Truth was BackAssWards given to the very ones that the Ramseys despise.

But - Lucky for them - BackAssWards Boulder could Care less.

RR

 

My take is...

This is the calm before the big storm...It's coming, things are way too quiet everywhere. Wood is even quiet, and that never happens.

Thank you Tricia for the fine job you are doing keeping this front and center.

Now, we can all wait for the fireworks to begin. Personally, I think Keenan should be recalled, she has no business representing the "People's Republic of Boulder" or any other people for that matter. JMO, and only my opinion.

 

Hot Stuff!

Thank you Spade and Tricia for pursuing this issue of the telephone tape of the 911 call.

This is the most exciting case news I have heard in ages!

Leroy Lincoln is about to be exposed as a complete liar and an obstructor of justice.

Do you think Couric will have a follow-up show featuring one of you and the REAL tape to counteract the false info broadcast by Lin Wood? (I doubt it.)

But Keenan and Co. should sit up and take notice, and also her new guy, Bennett.

 

Right, Tricia

Lin Wood screwed up royally when he called the BPD liars. Remember what a pretty savvy guy told us recently? LOL - calling someone a liar, if untrue, is libel. Wood is on tape calling the BPD liars. He has now gone quiet - quite unusual for him.

Why is that? I know those voices were on that tape, and so does he know it now. He is going to be publicly embarrassed and discredited when the truth comes out, and it will come out. I also think jameson knows those voices are on that tape. You can bet something has happened to shake the RST up, and I'll put money on the tape.

Just another case of an arrogant mucky muck with a giant ego who went too far. Give 'em enough rope.....

 

Right, BobC

There have been no leaks from the BPD, at least since Thomas left. But I hope Harmer never leaves. She will be one of the most important witnesses.

RR, right on about the cookie baking blabbermouths. Maybe someone should send a copy of that article to Woody.

As for what Wood is doing, I think he's not expecting there will ever be a criminal trial. He's been operating under that conceit all along, a fatal flaw, IMO. That's why I'm guessing Haddon has to reach for his barf bag every time Lin tries to "help" the case. In reality Wood is to Haddon as Hoffman is to Wood, wholly different classes of attorneys. Wood's ego and greed won't let him actually protect his clients since his actions are really screwing them in the long haul.

Tricia, picking between those two is like asking me which Stooge I'd like to french-kiss, Larry or Curly. They're both a coupla knuckleheads.

 

OK, then, I get it.

Shemp.

Actually I think both cops probably have their good points. Hidden to me, but evident to each other and others. They're just not right for this case, IMO.

 

Smit's had -- what 6 years to "solve" it? Where's his intruder? The "intruder" all the profilers say either had to be familiar with the house, knew the Ramseys and were jealous.

Thomas had it solved. Sort of.

But actually I'd want Mike Corona with Thomas assisting. Two hunks, since we are talking about french kissing.

 

More 911 news

One of the firms working with the 911 tape has spent the last few days identifying a sound ADDED TO THE TAPE following the attempt by Patsy to hangup. It begins right after the 2nd "Help me Jesus" and has been laid over John and Burke's voices in an attempt to obscure them.

This firm received the tape in its original envelope from the Boulder DA's office. Now who at the BPD or DA's office (the previous custodians of the tape) would do or even want to do anything like that?