The trail of the ransom note

BobC! Is it possible you don't know how the good ol' boys' network works? NO WAY!

"You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours...."

"You help me...I'll help you...."

"I owe you one...."

"He who has the gold rules...."

Any of this striking a chord?

Lord, am I hallucinating? Was there really NOT a company named Enron which stole BILLIONS from it's stock holders, mired so deep in policitics that the worst any of the thieves will see is a few months in a country club prison...from which they will fly to their many homes to recover from not having a manicure twice a week...?

And did that company NOT operate with the Federal gov't. cooperating fully to NOT monitor their operations, leaving them to self-regulate with their very elite accountant firm, Anderson, which was much praised and quite busy CREATING THE SAME FAKE BOOKS AND BURYING THE EVIDENCE for other companies' shell games for years as well?

Oh, thank god! I thought there really were people who do bad things for money and power. What a relief! I don't need a therapist after all!

 

absolutely

I don't think we're as far apart on this as I may be sounding--I am completely convinced that people like DeMuth and Hofstrom catered to the R's lawyers and these people were doubtlessly handled with kid gloves because of who they were. If Hofstrom was having breakfasts on a regular basis with one of the defense lawyers, it's not much of a stretch to think that friendship may have contributed to the lack of aggressiveness by Hunter and company--but there were so many other causes as well.

I may be wrong but until somebody shows me the check stub from all these people being "paid off," I'm going to think the best.

 

Tricia, amen.

 

Sure Tricia

But let me play devils advocate: people are self-centered. What was in Hunter's best interest regarding this case? I mean, would it make Hunter look better to have an arrest, or not to have an arrest? To me it all boils down to that. I am no Hunter fan. However, it was in his BEST INTEREST to make an arrest in this case and when they couldn't get the case together enough to win, it had to have been his biggest life humiliation.

Hunter must have wanted an arrest.

 

Amen, Tricia, and PRAISE THE LORD! Hallelujah, PREACH IT SISTAH! (dancing and speaking in tongues, now....)

 

Hmmmm

Amen again, pass the collection plate!

This reminds me of a teenage girl wearing high heels for the very first time. The ankles wobble, the legs are insecure, and the gait is totally unfamiliar.

Hunter in high heels, picture this, he was a champ at plea bargaining, and now he was being forced/hounded ?, by the lead detectives to produce the evidence that would make for a stronger case, and he was afraid to put on the platform shoes. Plus all of the things that Tricia said so well.

So, he leaves stage left, with his army boots intact, and his gait still steady, and he is gone, and the case is gone. Just wonder how many of his 'dear and closest good ole boys club' still have regular strategy meetings about other matters. He has definitely dissapeared from the local news, he has become a regular, "Where's Waldo", Waldo wore a striped shirt, AH appears to me to have just one stripe, right down his back.

I think he had a bad, bad case of stage fright, and feet too flat to wear high heels.

Then we have Mary Keene, humming in her little office to the tune of, "The song has ended, but the memory lingers on".

 

Camper...don't make me come out of retirement...

...and do a parody of Hunter in drag.


"So, Alex...how's your stilettos?"

"What stilettos?"

"Still-let-dose Ramseys walk all over you?"

 

Tearing my hair out.......ay-yi-yi

Tricia, those words you put in my mouth are correct. But it wasn't Hunter's personal opinion or fear. It was his sworn duty as a DA not to take a weak case to court. This came after peer review like no case I've ever heard about. Doesn't mean things won't align at a later point. I believe they will. But there's no shame in waiting.

DeMuth was a valuable player in the DA's office. Someone had to plunge into that important POV and know where the landmines were. Doesn't matter what his, or anyone's, personal beliefs might be. He did his job admirably. Do we think fly is spying for the "other side" or trying to ruin the forum when s/he brings out our lapses in logic? No, it's a critical POV.

This very night there are two giants in the forensic field who sometimes work together and sometimes oppose each other in courtrooms, and they're involved in many current cases -- but because they're in one's city, the other one and spouse are house guests of the one who lives there. They no doubt will have dinner. They may even talk case. They may even chide each other about deficits in the other's presentation. But they are through and through professionals and they will conduct themselves appropriately when they get into the court room.

I have total respect for the law. Most of the time there's justice. When there's not it's troubling but we learn. Sometimes we can even change things when they go wrong. Sometimes innocent people get executed and that's the worst possible scenario and most troublesome aspect. But for me, I never get so down that I lose respect for the process.

I try hard not to fill vacuums with baseless conspiracies. The people who want this case to go to court have far more invested in seeing it done right than we ever will. Lacking absolute proof of mendacity, and knowing the quality of people this case has attracted (and those who are their checks and balances), I choose the high road.

 

Tricia.....

You have got a great memory and you make a very convincing case....yep, as I read your post, I remembered all of those happenings unfold in slow motion, and I remember the frustration of all of us Ramsey case followers on the forums when all the stonewalling and wheeling and dealing was going on....

It makes me angry all over again to read your reminder, and makes me realize that JonBenet's murderers did not beat this murder wrap all by themselves....they had lots and lots of help....

 

Special Request

Dunvegan, lets have that parody, where do you want to put it?

Amazing that someone else compared AH to his inability to wear special shoes, hee hee. Wonder if his office chair had a seat cushion in it, probably wore out several of those, during his 28 years of 'service' to Boulder.

 

I'll just say this...

If a defendant has enough money, he or she can find deficits in any case because nothing is ever perfect. Successful prosecutions get done anyway.

I refuse to give ammo to the defense team by rehashing gripes from a questionable source. How is doing so benefiting justice? It's not.

 

Questionable source? Well, perhaps you need to make out a list of sources you think we can trust, Fedorax. Because in the end, I think there are enough sources from both sides giving testimony and enough pure facts corroborated in any number of books, news articles and news media that prove everything Tricia said is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

Why, even Patsy herself said one of the DA's lawyers TOLD THE RAMS HIMSELF that before they were taken off the case, THEY WERE SO CLOSE TO FINDING THE KILLER--and the only two lawyers from that office TAKEN OFF THE CASE were DeMuth and Hofstrom. She said this during her starring appearance at a journalism school--and I have the tape the school kindly sent me, as well as this interview was posted in audio at the school's website for awhile, where I first heard it.

Now, please tell me WHY THE DA'S LAWYERS WOULD BE TELLING SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO THE RAMS, THE PRIME SUSPECTS? I mean, please tell me that you don't believe a lawyer who has passed the bar and has years of experience as a prosecutor wouldn't KNOW this could be used IN COURT BY THE PRIME SUSPECTS SHOULD THEY EVER BE PROSECUTED?

That's why many believe that the DA's office sank this case, knowingly and unethically and willingly from the beginning. If you want to argue they were just careless or grossly incompetent, then I have to counter with, how could sooooooo many lawyers in one office be all that dumb?

No, this was cronyism at its very worst. They were charged with representing the victim, JonBenet, a horribly murdered child, and they did not do that, did not even try to do that, and they will forever have that on their souls. What they did was play politics at its worst.

Do you have any idea how impressive a law firm like Haddon and company are among the little fish? I can't imagine that you don't. Hunter was in business with these same lawyers OUTSIDE law. Real estate developments, wasn't it? Haddon had connections ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE. The Rams got calls of condolence all the way from the top levels of Colorado gov't. Those same politicians sworn to uphold the laws of Colorado STONEWALLED the BPD when questioned about those calls.

You think Thomas is unreliable? Ha. A group of lawyers who have broken so many of the ABA's OWN CODE OF ETHICS--AND THE ONE ABOUT NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT GIVES AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY IS FIRST AND FOREMOST IN MY MIND--gets NO CREDIBILITY in my book.

Of course, lawyers are NOT going to prosecute each other, not going to INVESTIGATE each other, leading to the logical conclusion the whole state is nothing but a hotbed of collusion among the members of the justice system there. I have EVERY RIGHT TO COME TO THIS OPINION, considering their own shocking disregard for the bar, for their sworn oath to represent the people and the victim. I can only say that if this behavior had happened in my state, I'd be their worst nightmare. Since I'm not a citizen of Colorado, all I can do is what I do on in this community: let them know that some of us are well aware of their black hearts and won't forget that they COERCED to LET a child killer go free for their own personal gain and/or because they were too cowardly to stand up for a child against her powerful murderer...IMO.

But don't worry. There are few heroes in real life. I'm sure they did what most lawyers do everyday in this country. Yeah, I've lost a LOT of faith in the justice system--but not because Hunter and his office opened my eyes. This is not only nothing new, it's not even unusual. Thank god for free press. I mean, how many blacks were lynched in this country with the passive collusion of prosecutors who were afraid or lazy or looking to the next election when most blacks didn't vote?

What I find interesting is that the idea of a hidden agenda is so foreign to some. It's at the heart of every mystery.

 

Amen

Name me one "He did what?!" moment about Steve Thomas and the job he did investigating this homicide.

Now, get a legal pad out and jot down the list for Alex Hunter and Company.

Big difference.

Never forget the APE......

Accute POLITICAL Emergency.

Nuff said?

 

Good point, RR

'Nuff said.

 

ah, but

RR - We haven't had an account (except from ST) of what ST did, have we? Perhaps there is no such event, and perhaps there are other good reasons for ST's lawyers to block having his deposition made public. The "dark side" is certainly intimating that there is embarrassing stuff in it, however.

Tricia - You asked if a NYC DA would wait a year before asking for the parent's clothes. Obviously, the answer would be no. However, shouldn't the police probably be the ones to be saddled with that "they did what!?!" They were the ones in charge of processing the crime scene and collecting evidence. Even if the parents were not at all suspected, getting their clothes for fiber identification - given that PR and JR both had had direct contact with her body - would have been routine, I'd think. Does ST claim the DA's office forbade such action? I've never seen that stated on the forums, but maybe I've missed it.

Hunter et al. made several questionable moves, but let's not forget the police made their fair share, too. Shall we use the same logic and argue that the police are equally biased - just against the parents rather than for them?

 

Some thoughts

Let us say that it's possible that the police DID THEIR JOB and came to a logical conclusion...the Ramsey family (who???) was involved in JonBenet Ramsey's death.

Let us say it's possible that the DA's office did the RAMSEY's JOB and let a killer/s go free? Just some thoughts, here.

Jobbers........gotta love'em.