Why Ramseys *and* Karr must be innocent

Show Me - Daniel why do you think John let Patsy call over the Whites, then the Fernies, Father Rol and who else....when the note told John he was being MONITORED by kidnappers who would behead his daughter if he so much as talked to a stray dog?

One of the things that has bothered me ever since I began following this case is the above and the 911 call. I worked for defense contractors for over 30 years - they had terrorism protocols long before 9/11. I was stunned that JR disregarded the orders of what could have been terrorist by calling all those people to his house, did not call company security who probably would have called the FBI not BPD, and allowed Patsy to call 911 and have the police come to the front door of their house being "monitored." I was not an executive of the companies I worked for, but I would have done none of the things JR did.

 

Dear Ploppy:

My contention of what likely happened constitutes just one piece of a much larger puzzle. The logistical aspects of how an intruder could have made his or her way into the Ramsey house is much better left to experts like Lou Smit, whom I disagree with regarding motive and regarding his stun gun part of his theory.

Once again, I am contending the killer was motivated by a personal grievance, the exact nature of which one could only speculate upon. As to whom would have known of the $118,00 figure, besides those with access to that information at his business, who knows whom either might have confided that information to. This is why I say I would suggest the police look closer to the family rather than further. This sort of venom points to someone close, or once close. "It is always easier to hate where one has once loved, than to remain indifferent."

 

Thank you EasyWriter!

Why is it the RST or Ramsey fans refuse to look at the truth...even when it come from the Ramsey's own words?????

 

I’ve had my bromide for the day and not at all interested in
abstract, “you could be wrong.†Wrong about what? Until you
address this, there is nothing but evasion.

 

Hi yah Shadow! I love your posts.

For an sharp CEO John sure was careless when it came to JonBenet's life.

Unless he already knew where JonBenet was.

 

Me too Easywriter.....is someone hungry yet?

 

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Already said what could have happened to the other pages - torn and flushed or burned and flushed. Why would someone like PR leave the so-called practice note? Maybe she intended to rid of it when she finished the mother of all ransom notes and forgot about it. Who says JR was involved? I don't think anyone but the killer/killers and of course a higher authority knows exactly who did what. Most crimes and cover-ups are not perfect. Why should anyone expect this one to make perfect sense.

Daniel - you conjecture that someone attempted to frame the Rams - I think they could have done a better job. After all, the Rams have never been charged with anything. Maybe someone was pointing a finger at a Ramsey. Another Ramsey maybe.

 

Patsy nor JBR wore a dress. And the crimescene was not bloody.JBR's murder was not a bloody one.

FWIW-I'm responding as I'm scrolling down this thread so excuse me if this has been discussed already.

 

Yeah like the 'intruder' should not have left a ransom note....better to frame the Ramseys with.

Daniel doesn't want the truth because it hurts to think parents can be abusive to their children....even parents who give the impression of a normal family.

 

Show Me,
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And, once again, Daniel, I ask what makes you think the police haven't investigated everyone "closer" to the Ramseys, like years ago? This is the kind of mentality we see at the swamp - the investigators should investigate this one or that one. Well, they did investigate this one or that one, but telling them that seems to fall on deaf ears.

Regarding Lou Smit, the man is an idiot. Sorry if you don't like that.

I'm a little curious - why would you come to a forum full of people who have studied this case for almost 10 years and know more about it than you obviously know and start a thread not only with gross inaccuracies in it but also one guaranteed to get some strong reactions? Why not go to the pro-Ramsey forum with your theories. You'll get all the pats on the back you need there. I'll even give you the URL if you want to go there. Or maybe you already know where it is?

 

Hi, yes - I'm the same PITA wenchie from WS.

Didn't John also close the open basement window?

 

Hold on a sec BobC, the new poster has given me pause for thought.

"She "flipped to the middle of the tablet, and started a ransom note, drafting one that ended on page 25. For some reason she discarded that one and ripped pages 17-25 from the tablet. Police never found those pages."

Wouldn't it be the icing on the cake if JMK had the missing pages! Could this case be any more bizarre?

 

Yeah that slipped John's mind also.
What was John thinking? Foreign monitoring kidnappers go through DOORS only?

 

When a child is bludgeoned in their own home, this is usually done in anger by a parent or guardian. Offenders stage crime scenes because they are well aware that the crime would logically point back to them. JonBenet was strangled to draw attention away from the fact that she'd been bludgeoned. The ransom note (part of the staging) was written to focus attention away from the Ramseys as suspects and to provide an excuse why their child's dead body is in their basement. Why would a stranger/intruder need to do any of that? They wouldn't, but persons in the home would. The only reason the intruder theory exists at all is because of the ransom note, that being its primary goal. Only someone in the home would have such a need, not an intruder.

 

Subdivision I agree with you. No one can come up with any other case involving a foreign kidnapping pedophile who leaves a ransom note and forgets to take the body.

The Ramsey's own actions speak guilty knowledge.

 

Something I can't remember (and I no longer have my JBR books): was Fleet White with John when he found the open window, or did John come up with that story later?

I remember that Fleet was with John when they saw the BROKEN window, but nothing about it being open.

What a huge shame that the detectives didn't immediately separate John & Patsy and insisted on questioning them - pinning them down on these things.

John and Patsy got to throw out a lot of edited versions of their story to the public, without ever having to follow up with any proof of them.

 

What a cop out. The logistical aspects are better left to someone else? Why is that? If you have a theory that the parents didn't do it, then you'd better have thought of the logistics of how an intruder COULD HAVE DONE IT.

Anyone who thinks Lou Smit is an expert is ignorant of the facts about Lou Smit. He's a washed-up, delusional, old man who is still riding on his one claim to fame ... the Heather Dawn Church case.

So now Smit is a one-trick pony ... Heather's parents were innocent; the Ramseys must be innocent. Smit's a Christian; the Ramseys claim to be Christian. Smit asks John to swear to God he didn't do it; John swears to God he didn't do it. That's good enough for Smit. He doesn't even interview Patsy. Later, he meets Patsy, and she piles on the Southern charm, becoming Dulcinea to his Don Quixote.

Lou Smit blackmails Hunter into giving him the PowerPoint presentation that NO ONE else is allowed to have. Then, because Lou is so blinded by his own ego, and smitten with the Ramseys, he goes on a mission to prove them innocent by finding someone, ANYONE, to be the intruder. Michael Tracey tells Lou that he can help if Lou will give him access to case evidence available in the PowerPoint.

Michael Tracey then proceeds to make not one, but three crock-u-mentaries featuring innocent people as the killer of JonBenet in order to influence public opinion. Smit "stars" in Tracey's films, and becomes so hell-bent on finding an intruder, he helps Tracey groom a suspect by providing case information to an anonymous e-mailer with an obsession with JonBenet.

Smit is no expert at anything other than obstructing justice and letting the Ramseys get away with murder.

 

Dear Show:

"And, once again, Daniel, I ask what makes you think the police haven't investigated everyone "closer" to the Ramseys, like years ago? This is the kind of mentality we see at the swamp - the investigators should investigate this one or that one. Well, they did investigate this one or that one, but telling them that seems to fall on deaf ears."

--I know they have. On one hand, you all seem so critical of the Boulder DA's office, and police, but on the other you seem to think it not possible that they were fooled by a guilty suspect whom the cleared. You certainly all seem to think that now about the Ramseys.

"Regarding Lou Smit, the man is an idiot. Sorry if you don't like that."

--His career credentials seem solid to me.

"I'm a little curious - why would you come to a forum full of people who have studied this case for almost 10 years and know more about it than you obviously know and start a thread not only with gross inaccuracies in it but also one guaranteed to get some strong reactions? Why not go to the pro-Ramsey forum with your theories. You'll get all the pats on the back you need there. I'll even give you the URL if you want to go there. Or maybe you already know where it is?"

--To learn and to present what I thought was an insight I've yet to read of anywhere else. I'm aware I'm not the first to theorize that the motive was a personal grievance against one or both of the Ramseys. However, I have never read all I've put forward here and I hoped to get people to thinking in a search for truth and justice.

--By the way, why exactly does one buy numbered stationary if one doesn't seem to care about the numbering and simply flips somewhat randomly to the middle of the pad?

 

Welcome to FFJ, Subdivisions!

There are so many newbies right now, I'm sure I've forgotten to welcome some of them ... so please don't be offended. The omission is not intentional.

What you said is what many of us here at FFJ have been saying for years. Intruders don't stage crime scenes in other people's home. PERIOD.