I know, but still... Someone reading about this scam for the first time, as I hope many will, may get confused. WY, I was driving earlier and thought about your posting of these files. It hit me that your kids must have HATED having guilty secrets from you because you would have busted them every which way and then some. Haha! And now, reading backwards here, I see you opened the thread with that. As I recall, mame said FWSr. offered NK $75k and the tabs offered $10k. It appears that's all more slime from the mameslug BS trail! If NK was in such dire straits when she sought counsel from MB, why didn't Bienkowski recommend she go to a psychiatrist who might give her medication for her delusions, or at least kick up her treatment a notch? If someone goes to a general practitioner who finds cancerous conditions, an oncologist is recommended. Any therapist should know when it's appropriate to bring in more help, especially if a patient is insured or the state is paying. Which brings me to the question: Why didn't Nancy keep her appointment with the psychiatrist the BPD paid to see her? Did Bienkowski offer her files to him? Did she tell him she'd accompany Nancy to the meeting, and if not, why not? Or was she the one who induced Nancy to duck that meeting? If they truly wanted their story to be believed, if they truly thought there was a danger to the niece and themselves, they should have gone to that meeting. I would like to know if there were sexual relations between Krebs and Bienkowski because that would be a violation of the most serious degree, particularly with a client who has claimed sexual abuse. I'd hate to think that Bienkowski hangs around rape crisis centers for the purpose of finding dates... but there are priests who counsel sexually abused children and molest them.