BUSTED! Exposure of CSI England's hoax of "new info from Steve Thomas"

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by koldkase, Nov 2, 2009.

  1. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member


    Absolutely nnnoooo integrity there. I would much rather read someone's posts that have integrity, no matter what their stance on Ramsey guilt/innocence. That is why this is the only forum I read or post on - no matter the opinions there is honesty in seeking the truth.
  2. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Another wacko goes down in the forum history books.

    I am so grateful for you guys here. This is nice, comfy and safe.

    Topix is like the saying goes, A car wreck; you just have to look.

    Just because we can't look away I will be interested to see what happens next with CSI.

    CSI, could this be a person who said they wrote a JBR book but was busted as a fraud? Perhaps so, Maybe not. Who knows.
  3. Karen

    Karen Member

    She's scary.
  4. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    She's a nut! If her new RST buddies want to take her on as a trusted friend now, more fool them. She has shown the world what a dishonest fruitcake she is.

    There is something so familiar about this ability to blatantly lie to the world and then brass-neck it out like it's no big deal and it's everyone else who has the problem for believing so gullible when exposed. jameson does it, Mame does it...

    Disgusting individuals who clearly have too much time on their hands to make mischief.

    Liars are worse than thieves. They both steal, but you can see a thief.
  5. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Making Mischief or Money?????? I would like to think that she has been paid to attempt to do damage instead of just one more out-patient with access to a computer.
  6. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    The thing about CsILie is that s/he stole something we can't get back: trust.

    When you run into such immoral people, you try to convince yourself that they're out there, so you need to know it. But it's an ugly truth that costs you dearly to have.

    But maybe it does teach us something, if indirectly, and answer some questions we have long asked.

    You see, I fully believe that it was the same kind of sickness that was the catalyst for JonBenet's murder. She was being molested, the evidence strongly indicates, and I believe Patsy, at least, knew it. I also believe that it's possible Patsy blamed JonBenet on some level. Remember this pro-Ramsey article, where the cracks in the Ramsey's self-sponsored mythology are evident:

    I have worked as an advocate for abuse victims, and you can look this fact up: victims are commonly punished by their families if they tell the truth. Sometimes they're threatened; and many times, they are blamed and ostracized, even by an otherwise loving mother, especially if that mother has other issues in play, like another child is the abuser, or even a husband.

    So it's all about protecting the status quo. If the molester is the primary breadwinner, that's no little thing in these cases. Also, a partnership based in love and marriage is not easily dumped. Siblings also love their parents and can also blame the victim when that relationship and the family unit is threatened. Parents and other family--relatives who may be part of a generational pattern of abuse--can blame and manipulate the victim with guilt and threats. They want to keep the skeletons in the closet, get life back to "normal." They don't want to have it turned upside down with LE all in their business, losing control of the family, possibly their home and any stability they have, etc.

    To the wealthy and affluent, social and professional standing are threatened, as well. It's one thing for us beer can collectors to have the neighbors rubber-necking when there is a police car in our driveway, but rich people with businesses to support and hundreds of employees watching, not to mention, a mega-powerful, international parent company holding a sword of Damocles over their heads, have plenty to lose when social services show up at the door with a police escort.

    So...they lie. They cover up. They manipulate. They threaten. They minimize. They bury the truth and re-victimize the victim. What child can fight this kind of pressure? The damage to the survivor is lifelong and deep.

    This is what I think was in play with JonBenet. I'm only speculating, of course, but I'm basing my speculation on the autopsy results that document prior vaginal injuries and the evidence of staging the night the child was killed. If Patsy knew about the abuse, and how would she not because there would have been bleeding, what kind of "damage control" was Patsy doing already?

    Remember the 3 after-hours phone calls to Dr. Beuf's answering service on Dec. 17th? In spite of the fact that every medical office routinely documents such calls, some even charging for phone consultations, the medical records either contained no notations on these, or it's part of that sealed file we'll never see. Patsy told LE she didn't remember--what a surprise. How is it that a year and a half after the murder, when they brought the Ramseys in to interview for 3 days, Hunter's "crack" team of detectives didn't even have the details of the murder victim's medical records on hand to nail down Patsy's story? That's investigation 101!!

    But in light of this egegiously incompetent or blatantly disingenuous interrogation, we can only speculate. So for the sake of argument, let's say Patsy called Dr. Beuf because she discovered JonBenet had been sexually abused or had blood in her underwear--a fair speculation in light of the autopsy, because something caused Patsy to call the Dr. repeatedly after office hours. Since Patsy did not take JonBenet to the hospital, what was so important? Let's speculate that it was abuse discovered: either Patsy didn't consult with Dr. Beuf, or he's lying about that. Did the Ramseys' power and money convince Dr. Beuf they could handle it privately? Or did Patsy conceal the truth from him, as well, lying to get some kind of help again for "vaginitis" or some such?

    Of course, we have pondered these questions before, and no doubt will again. Since there will be no arrest or trial, LE isn't going to do one damn thing about this case but make sure we never know how much evidence they buried. So speculation based in what we do know is all we have. We are still here and we're still learning.

    And now and then, from unlikely place, we get a peep behind the mask of sanity, and we see a secret revealed. I think the behavior of CsILie may be giving us a revealing lesson in the psychology of profound deceit.

    We've seen crazy a lot on these forums. But with CsILie, we have an astounding example of a well-concealed pathology of deceitfulness, of how smoothly and deliberately intelligent, alert, and honest people can be lied to and fooled.

    Appearances are everything. Even if it's just words typed for others to read, words are conveying the reality and they do tell a lot about the author; so "look" the part, act the part, back it up with all the tricks and veils you have at your disposal, and you can hide the truth of who you are and what you are really doing easier than most of us imagine. Even when it's easy to be caught, just keep denying and lying, denying and lying, and people will get as confused as squirrels in the road with a car bearing down. Then they will have to readjust their reality, adding in and weeding out their own personal experience and agendas, and voila! Just more confusion and chaos.

    It worked for the Ramseys. I can't say they knew all along how well it would pan out for them, but I will say that whether it was their money and connections or the devil's own who protected them, every ball that hit the ground rolled their way.
  7. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Dear KoldKase


    Really, I could read your writing day and night. You are incredibly compelling and deeply interesting.


    Now, post some more please????? Pretty Please????
  8. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Me? Post some more? Oh no, I couldn't.... Much too shy.... :blush:


    Oh, Tricia, you're just too kind. The check's in the mail, BTW.

    I do want to clarify one thing I wrote above, as a reread for various typos and mistakes a day later always uncovers flaws--too bad I can't EDIT it now, hint hint: I do believe that JonBenet's medical records, which were kept by Dr. Beuf and then turned over to LE, did in fact have the calls listed from Dec. 17--otherwise, how would LE have known about them? I have never seen any evidence that those calls, which I believe went to the doctor's answering service, resulted in Patsy talking to the doctor, but if she called three times, I'd think he did contact her that evening, because it sounds like she was determined to get in touch with him pronto.

    What I meant in my above post was that the REASON for those calls was not written in the medical file, as I read the '98 interview transcript with Patsy. At least, it appears that way to me, because Haney asked Patsy in the '98 interview about why she made those calls. She gave him nothing and he didn't pursue it further.
  9. whitewitch1

    whitewitch1 Senior Member

    Absolutely BRILLIANT post, KK. Thank you.
  10. Barbara

    Barbara FFJ Senior Member

    Ditto. Brilliant is the correct word.
  11. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Okay, you Guttah pyrates, I don't make that much collecting beer cans! By the time I pay my agent Zotto her blackmail money, I can only cut so many checks!
  12. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    Not that we needed any proof that this flake is a compulsive liar:-


    Although she seems to be confused what she won the award for LOL:-

    If she had any clue about writing, she'd know her claims were unrealistic (unless she had been writing one-act plays for a couple of decades!)

    Even the most prolific and experienced writers only manage to complete a couple of projects a year at the most.

    What a loon! You couldn't make it up...
  13. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Betcha Sue Bennett Can...
  14. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    Maybe the poetry award was one she got in high school....
  15. AMES

    AMES Member

    She sounds crazy! The only thing that she probably won an award for...was being a compulsive liar. WOW...she sure "accomplished" alot, didn't she? She would have to be around 175 years old, to have accomplished that feat.
  16. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Elementary, My Dear....:floor:
  17. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Do y'all remember the Saturday Night Live "Liar" character, or are you too young? haha

    He'd start talking and spinning his lies, and then he'd say, as he realized how fabulous his lies were, "Yeah, THAT'S the ticket!"

    I believe this is how CsILie operates. :floor:

    And y'all are right; she'd have to be at least 60 to have done half of what she claims.
  18. Barbara

    Barbara FFJ Senior Member

    Since I can't say I'm too young to remember, it was Jon Lovitz. Very funny stuff

    As far as CSI, she began all of her carrers in utero
  19. whitewitch1

    whitewitch1 Senior Member


    Joined: Jan 2, 2007

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    Columbus OH
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    |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#677 9 hrs ago
    "Ok, I read a number of them and find them to be nothing but conjecture. None of them have a single fact, only conjecture by those who desperately want to prove the Ramseys did it. Give it up; they didn't kill her. Even if she had fallen down the stairs, there is still an intruder who left DNA on JB; so what's your explanation for that? "

    CSIEngland = Logan. Whatcha think?
  20. Elle

    Elle Member


    I was just wondering why you chose the career you did when you could have chosen to become a criminal lawyer from the way you write some excellent posts? I am serious! Oh I know you joke around a lot, but there is a very serious side of you which tells me I think you may have made the wrong choice here (?).
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