John Ramsey's new web site

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Little, Nov 22, 2009.

  1. Little

    Little Member

    New video appeal released to find killer of JonBenet Ramsey
    Web Staff KDVR Denver

    November 18, 2009

    A new appeal has been released for information leading to the arrest of the killer of JonBenet Ramsey.

    The 6-year-old was found dead in a basement storage room in her Boulder home on December 26, 1996.

    Her father, John Ramsey, just launched a new website for his Fair Justice Foundation. The foundation is designed to assist in the murder investigation of JonBenet. It also has resources available to provide cold case investigation assistance in other cases.

    The foundation offers services to victims' families and law enforcement agencies nationwide.

    The Fair Justice Foundation released a new video appeal this week aimed at anyone with information about the killer of JonBenet Ramsey. The video appears below.,0,2387887.story
  2. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    Makes ya wonder what he is up to, eh? Heck, maybe he thinks people will send donations - maybe he needs money - my guess is it is more politically motivated!
  3. Little

    Little Member

    Well, you can be darned sure it's not because he wants the gov. to appoint a special task force to reinvestigate. My first thought was that it's politically motivated too Moab. Maybe a run for himself, maybe for a run for one of his sons, or maybe he just has a new girlfriend he wants to impress.

  4. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    How predicatable....

    I think that it's a great sign that the Investigation going on back in Boulder must be heating up!!! Does John happen to mention that he's a Suspect in his daughter's murder at this new place?! Or does he only paint himself as a grieving parent - that only does so when the Heat is on and the anniversay of her death is approaching? Funny how now that the police are re-investigating this homicide, John suddenly has time to remember JonBenet...I really hate to have to go look for myself right now since my hands are full enough as it today....
  5. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor:
  6. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

    my prediction

    I predict another run for office soon. I need a little smiley with a turban because I am now Karnak the magnificent!
  7. Barbara

    Barbara FFJ Senior Member

    I can't play the video at work. I'm blocked here so I'll have to play it at home, but I noticed one thing. In the written portion the appeal keeps referring to "us" and "we", etc.

    Does the video mention WHO the "we" and "us" might be?

    This might be a job for Why_Nut

    He still could be trying to impress Beth Holloway/Twitty (I can't keep track)
  8. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    Will this work?

  9. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

  10. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member

    Just read the stuff

    On his new web site. The print on the last page is too tiny for me to read and I do wonder what it said. Maybe some of you with better and younger eyes can get it.

    I also read all of the 96 comments. HA! Some familiar names there, some familiar themes, and of course some of the same old same old.

    Interestingly enough in one of the first few remarks is someone asking the very question that was asked here...Wonder what office JR is running for now? and this one...Interesting what provoked this?

    What I find interesting is that this is a web site to help not just solve JBR's case but cold cases. Since when has John wanted to help anyone else,... ever,... with anything?
  11. Elle

    Elle Member

    Thanks for posting this latest caper of John Ramsey's, Little. Was he not 100% satisfied with Mary Lacey sucking up to him and apologizing personally for the Boulder Police causing the Ramseys so much pain by thinking they were the guilty ones. I haven't changed my mind. Like everyone else here, I'm not convinced by the DNA prattle Mary Lacey came up with, giving the Ramseys a pardon.

    I still think Patsy Ramsey was the one who accidenally killed her daughter, and covered it up with staging as if she was creating a theatrical play. She was a master at causing confusion, thwarting the cops. I wish the police would concentrate more on the Ramsey's behaviour immediately after JonBenét's body was discovered. They might find something they have missed. Their behaviour was very odd. No need to go over it all again, we all know what happened !
  12. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member

    Someone should post the following link (and pertinent information) on John's new website, as well as ask these very important questions ...






    May 2, 2008, 9:42 am, Fri May 2 9:42:45 CDT 2008

    Originally Posted by RiverRat
    And how many books did they sell?!

    Thanks for asking. First, let's look at some background information taken from the website:


    JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation TRUTHS

    - The JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation was incorporated March 31, 1997

    - Where are the $15,000 PER year pledges from John and Patsy Ramsey?

    - Where are the Grants?

    - Where is the SHOES organization?

    - Where is the legislation to protect children against predators?

    - Where is the legislation to advocate child murders to a federal offense?


    JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation ~ The Mysteries ~ Facts and Fiction

    The web site link above contains 130 documented historical archived references, including links to download files on the "JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation Articles or Incorporation," "JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation ByLaws," "JonBenet Children's Application for Recognition of Exemption forms," "1997/1998/1999 and 2000 Federal Income Tax forms. In addition, the web site contains excerpts from documented testimony from both John and Patsy Ramsey in legal depositions/interviews, Quotes from John and Patsy Ramsey's book, "Death of Innocence," Newspaper article references, Quotes by and about John and Patsy Ramsey from public interviews.


    There are "130 documented references on this web page above" directly relating in one way or another to the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation. The foundation was set up as the source of funding for the $100,000 reward being offered. In the Ramsey's book, "Death of Innocence," HB page 164/165 where the Ramsey are explaining the purpose of the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Founation, they are quoted as, "Patsy and I guaranteed a reward of one hundred thousand dollars."



    Included sources of monies pledged and possible donated contributions from friends and family, corporations and the general public. John and Patsy Ramsey pledged $15,000 PER YEAR for 1997, 1998 and 1999. There are no contributions of this scale from any source in any one of the three tax years listed.

    The Ramseys friend/attorney Mike Bynum pledged profits from the resale of the Boulder house, Ramsey friend Linda McLean pledged all profits from the sale of her book when it was released August 21, 1998, Ramseys pledge profits from their hard back book released March 18, 2000 after legal expenses and ALL of the profits from their soft back (January 2001 edition) book. Ramseys book had a first printing of 300,000 copies.

    John Ramsey even said in August 2000 that one of his original plans was to sue the tabloids and donate the money to the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation. Although the Ramsey said there were no plans for fundraising, a Ramsey press release was issued in February 1997 giving a bank address in Colorado where public fund contributions could be sent. In March 26, 2000 an Internet poster who made a donation to the Foundation in Janaury received an e-mail from "" and signed by John Ramsey. That e-mail provided a new foundation address for donations as P.O. Box 724505, Atlanta, GA 31139.


    Included the $100,000 reward, plans to offer a grant program, plans for an outreach program called SHOES that would advocate legislation, SHOES would offer resources and rewards, SHOES would use tools to track pedophiles, SHOES would put reward funds in place, SHOES would advocate child murders to a federal offense. John Ramsey said in an online ABC Chat "In Their Own Words" on March 20, 2000 that he wants the Foundation to protect children against predators, through legislation and that he wants child murders to be a federal offense. Where are the grant programs? Where is the SHOES organization?

    Early documentation shows that the Ramsey family web site at displayed press releases as well as ads and flyers the Ramseys sent out in search for their daughter's killer in the spring and fall of 1997. Later the web site was used to advertise the $100,000 reward. In December 26, 2001, Ramsey attorney, Lin Wood is quoted in the media as saying that the Ramsey family no longer has the reward money. By November 25, 2002, the Ramsey family, via their attorney Lin Wood stated they will no longer communicate with one Susan Bennett whose web site URL is listed in the Ramseys books and was on their Ramsey family web site as the main source for the garotte illustrations. By 2003 the Ramsey family web site no longer existed and the domain at expired April 19, 2004.

    Patsy Ramsey said in August 2000 during the Atlanta interviews that she had never even seen the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation books or financial records. The Foundation was opened on March 31, 1997 and Patsy Ramsey is listed as the President of the Foundation.

    The "Bylaws of the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation stated, "the Board of Directors shall annually prepare a report, verified by the President and Treasurer or by a majority of the Directors, to be prescribed at the annual meeting of the Board of Directors, showing in appropiate detail the following: (a) the assets and liabilities, including the donated funds, of the Corporation as of the end of the fiscal year."

    The Board of Directors consisted of John Ramsey and Patsy Ramsey.


    May 2, 2008, 10:09 am, Fri May 2 10:09:48 CDT 2008

    Now, let's see how many of the 300,000 Death of Innocence hardcover books published on March 10, 2000 had their profits donated to the JBR Foundation.

    Oh dear, this doesn't look good. I can't believe it. The JBR Foundation was terminated in 2000!


    JBR Foundation Records:


    Foundation terminated per IRS

    Per 990 PF dtd 08/29/01:

    Contributions received: $1,405
    Donor: Unknown
    Charitable contributions made: $0
    Recipient of charitable contribution: None


    How could any of DOI's profits be donated to the Foundation if it closed that same year?

    And what about the paperback version of Death of Innocence? It states that: AUTHORS' PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE OF THIS BOOK WILL GO TO THE JONBENET RAMSEY CHILDREN'S FOUNDATION."

    The paperback version of Death of Innocence was published on January 1, 2001.

    How can the proceeds from a paperback published in 2001 go to a Foundation that closed in 2000?!!


    May 2, 2008, 10:15 am, Fri May 2 10:15:09 CDT 2008

    Originally Posted by Elle_1
    I saw Patsy's quick reaction on TV talking about a certain amount had been donated to some charity, with the check being written after the show. Something like that (?). What a farce this foundation was.

    A farce, indeed. More like a flat lie.

    It was TWO WEEKS after the show when a reporter checked with the day-care camp and found out there had been no check forthcoming from the Ramseys or any foundation. Of course, we know the JBR Foundation was defunct by then, but Patsy didn't know we knew. She was playing to the audience after Tricia's call-in question. It was a quick attempt by Patsy at CYA. When the reporter called the Ramseys to say the day-care hadn't received any funds from them, Patsy quickly wrote out a $1000 personal check and hurried it down to the day-care. She had been hoping no one would follow up on her lie about the donation from a foundation that didn't exist.


    May 2, 2008, 10:28 am, Fri May 2 10:28:38 CDT 2008

    Originally Posted by Karen
    Thanks I've seen that but I think I meant the part about what he has to report monetarily to the public. Where is that report?

    I'm not sure if I know what web site you're asking for, but there is a lot of information regarding the JBR Foundation on ACandyRose's site at the following:

    Here are some excerpts from ACR's excellent timeline regarding the JBR Foundation and Death of Innocence.

    03-10-2000 Ramsey book has a first printing of 300,000 (RMN)

    03-18-2000 JonBenet Children's Foundation (DOI HC Pg 164-165)
    03-18-2000 SHOES Foundation Outreach program (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will advocate legislation (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will offer resources and rewards (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will use tools to track pedophiles (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will put reward funds in place (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will advocate child murders/federal offense (DOIpg390)

    03-18-2000 Bookstores report sales brisk (

    03-28-2000 LKL - John Ramsey re: Profits to legal then foundation

    05-31-2000 LKL - John Ramsey says book money going to charity

    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Foundation no fund raising plan
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Denies providing address for fund raising
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Offended on questions re: Foundation
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Original plan was to sue tabloids
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Never solicited public funds
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Wrote DOI because they needed the $$
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 P.R. re: Never seen foundation books
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 P.R. re: Never seen foundation financial
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 P.R. re: Never did any fund raising

    00-00-2000 Foundation Tax form: Revenue $1,405, Contributions $.00

    01-00-2001 DOI PB edition profits to JBR Foundation ONLY


    May 2, 2008, 5:03 pm, Fri May 2 17:03:02 CDT 2008

    Originally Posted by RiverRat
    Both John and Patsy said the JonBenet Ramsey Foundation is still in existence.

    Not true. The JBR Foundation did not exist after 2000.

    Quote from Patsy Ramsey:
    "It's been more of a family trust," Patsy explained. "It's not very active. There's some money in it, but not thousands and thousands of dollars."

    So THAT'S what happened to the almost $18,000 left in the JBR Foundation when they quit filing paperwork with the IRS in 2000. The Ramsey just put it in their personal finances; a so-called "family trust."


    1. Is it LEGAL to take money designated by donors for a specific non-profit organization and make it part of your personal finances?

    2. If so, did the Ramseys do the necessary paperwork to take the money that had been given to a non-profit organization and put it in their "family trust" bank account?

    3. Since the JBR Foundation did not exist after 2000, where did the promised proceeds for the Foundation (from the paperback edition of DOI) go? Did they also go into the "family trust"?

    4. Why are the Ramseys allowed to get away with saying one thing and doing another?

    5. Why hasn't anyone been concerned about the lack of accurate and legal financial accounting concerning the Ramseys and the JBR Foundation?

    6. Why are the Ramseys allowed to lie with impunity and say the JBR Foundation exists when it clearly does not?

    7. Why isn't there someone in the mainstream media courageous enough to set the record straight about all the Ramsey lies, half-truths and cover-ups?
  13. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member


    What resources are available to provide cold case investigation assistance in other cases and what kind of services are furnished to victims families and LE agencies nationwide. Now all of that doesn't come cheap or even free. Yet I don't see any asking for donations...and well they should not do that! We know what happens when they do. Bwaaaaaaa hahaha.
    There was also mention of retired detectives who have worked on cases for years belonging to this "new" web site. Maybe Loose Mits is involved in this too.

    Does anyone else find it funny that the initials that are used for this "new web site" is none other than an "F", a "J", and another "F"....just like FFJ here! Oh my goodness.
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2009
  14. Show Me

    Show Me FFJ Senior Member

    When the heat is on, John starts up a new foundation or something.....unfortunately any money sent to the JB foundation wound up benefitting the Ramseys only....
    ....perhaps John is only feeling the bite of the economy and simply wants to cash in? No way he is sincere.
  15. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    You :bee: da bomb Cherokee!
  16. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    I didn't watch the video, but did scan the comments. I am shocked jameson has yet to comment.
  17. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    The video.

    I just watched it. Why wouldn't they want the police contacted instead of the Fair Justice Foundation? That just sounds sort of, forgive me for sayin' so, :skank:ish to me.
  18. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Like always - they Do Not want law enforcement to be involved. The might end up solving the case and that seems to be the last thing the Ramseys want, so of course they don't want anyone giving Tips to the Boulder Police Department. Just like with the with the wrong number listed for the Tip-Line, that one didn't even make sense to jameson, much more loud and clear about his Sincerity?!
  19. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member

    Thank you, JC. :)

    I hope someone will post the information and link on John's website.

    And here's another question:

    4. How do we know the new foundation will be run with more veracity than the last Ramsey foundation?
  20. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member


    Thanks for the :turban:! As Karnak the magnificent I stand by my political prediction.

    I predict that he will try to take advantage of the current political environment in hopes that people will be so unhappy with those in congress that he can ride the wave into office.

    I hope that the information on this thread finds it's way to JR's new site as a preemptive strike to re-inform the public of JR's inability to organize and lead any group that is involved with justice for his daughter, ergo , incapable of representing ANYONE. Mainly because he really only cares about his own skin and nothing about honesty or integrity. :hopmad:
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