Tape? What tape?

Elle, please include, on the threads here in the library, any links you have which you think are important. I agree that Redd Herring's site is excellent, as is ACR's.

The purpose of starting the threads was so everyone could add their sources and copies of photos we all like to use. That way we don't have to spend forever looking the same stuff up a thousand times all over the Internet, especially when a lot of those sites have changed or folded through the years.

By capturing copies of various photos, I'm hoping we won't see so many disappear suddenly and then not be able to find them anymore. But links to good sites are great, as well. I've added some myself.

 

The house plan you have used here is from the old Red Herring site I'm talking about, KK.
I wanted to go over "the people involved in the Ramsey case, including photographs" on this old site. This is why I thought you would have it. It may well be included in the site I posted above, and this would take forever to go through it. Should you come across it KK whenever you're browsing, please post it for me. Only the copyright for Redd Herring was shown beneath the house plan. TIA

This was a good idea to have this thread, thank you!

 

No problem- of course you're not picking on me! This bit about her bare footprint being found in the wineceller is something I'd read many times over the years. We all know about the Hi-Tec shoe print, but not much else was said about the bare print. When I posted that, it was is response to the post about JB having dust on her feet. Whether there every truly was a bare print f hers there, the bottom of her feet should have been tested to see if there were any substances there that could be linked to the place her body was found in. Actually, in some IDI theories, JB may have been taken out and brought back, so forensic testing on her feet could have been useful to both sides.
I have no idea if there WAS a tiny bare print found. I did read about it- I'll try to find it. Many things I read long ago can't be found any longer - the pages are no longer supported on the Web. But I'll try.

 

It does have "copyright Redd Herring 1999 - 2003" printed underneath the plan from ACR, Moab.

 

I think I've read it somewhere before too DeeDee but I can't remember for the life of me where. I question though if it should be considered actual evidence if we read it on a message board or article or book or something? I hope you can find it because I think it's a very important piece of evidence in this case that seems to always be overlooked if ligitimate.

 

Yes, Moab, ACandyRose is the top notch historian of the JonBenét case, for sure. Truthfully, there are many sites out there where a lot of time has been taken to find the truth by the public and I'm sure Law Enforcement uses them.

I'm sure I will come across the section I'm looking for. I usually fall over things like this when I'm not looking for it any more

 

I may as well admit it: I'm completely confused.

'Tis the season, and I must have missed some posts when I jumped in with my comment to you, Elle. Honestly, I don't know what anyone is talking about, obviously, and I'm too busy to figure it out right now. Doh!

Here is the link to the Redd Herring site, if this is what you're looking for:

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/primer/primer_cover.html

 

I've seen "footprints in the cellar room" discussed, but as far as I remember, it's speculation, probably based on this photo:



If this is the basis for speculation of JonBenet's footprints being in the cellar room, it's obviously inconclusive at best, at least to me. Feet don't make straight lines when they leave imprints.

Here is the group of photos of that basment cellar floor used for discussion, if you want to check them out:

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9777

Perhaps others have better photos or info than I. By all means, I'd love to see/hear it. We've lost a lot through the years, and I certainly was unable to read or see it all. Plus, when I came online in 2000, I didn't save everything related to this case. For one thing, I thought at the time this case would be solved and go to trial. For another, I had no idea that things on the Internet would be taken off--I thought it was like a library, where stuff just got added to, not removed. Silly me. And finally, I was very, very naive....

But I will add that there were things Dr. Meyer did not put in the autopsy report. Was I reading here about the "fingerprint" one of the detectives tried to raise on the body, which Dr. Meyer suspended the autopsy while the CBI gave directions on how to do this? Probably did read it right here. Like I said, too much going on to keep my head on straight, sorry.

 

Thank you, thank you, thank you KK! This is the exact one I want. :wave: It's like finding an old friend.:blush: All's right with the world!

"All In The Family" is the one I like to browse through ." Hey, it's not much fun being a Senior Senior, you know! *wink* I think I'm going to print it when I get my new cartidges, then I can also browse through it when I'm away from my pc. I lost a few files recently, and this one was special to me.:-( Thank you so much!

 

I don't see those prominent longitudinal fibers on the inside (or outside) of the duct tape I have in the garage. The tape in the picture looks pretty resistant to shear.

I've done a little research on the web about duct tape and its foundation is a cotton mesh which allows the tape to be torn longitudinally and transversely with relative ease. This looks more like a filament tape.

But I guess the police found matching tape at McGuckin's?

 

Does anyone know where the shoeprints would have been found relative to the blanket in the photo?

 

That tape looks more like strapping tape. You know, the kind you use for shipping packages (like the ones Patsy mailed to people before Christmas)? The kind she told LE she DID have.

 

Didn't know where to put this so here it goes:

10 TRIP DeMUTH: And do you remember

11 photographs being -- photographs of JonBenet

12 being in there?

13 PATSY RAMSEY: Taken of her in the

14 laundry room?

15 TRIP DeMUTH: No, no. Photographs

16 of her located in the laundry room?

17 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, in the laundry

18 room, oh. I don't know, there was a bunch of

19 stuff, I mean wrapping stuff and everything. I

20 don't remember any photographs.

21 TRIP DeMUTH: Is there any reason

22 why there would be photographs of JonBenet

23 located in the laundry room?

24 PATSY RAMSEY: No. Were there --

25 I mean, did somebody find them there?

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1 TRIP DeMUTH: If there were, would

2 that be out of place for you?

3 PATSY RAMSEY: It would seem to be

4 out of place. I kept wrapping materials and

5 sometimes I worked, wrapping station, Christmas

6 paper and --

7 TRIP DeMUTH: Would -- who else had

8 access to the laundry room, who else would go in

9 there? I know everybody would have access, but

10 who else would use it? Would the boys play in

11 there? Would John go down there?

12 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean anybody

13 could, but I mean the boys could come down and

14 go in the train room, we had the train set up.

15 In the far back in through there, you know. Not

16 in the laundry, really, area.

17 TRIP DeMUTH: Did anybody besides

18 you use that laundry room?

19 PATSY RAMSEY: Sometimes Linda

20 would wash, if we were washing comforters or

21 something, because those were big heavy-duty

22 laundry machines, she'd take the things in

23 there, rugs and things, and wash them down

24 there.

25 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.

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1 THOMAS HANEY: So you don't recall

2 taking a photo of her down there?

3 PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head.)

4 THOMAS HANEY: If she was doing

5 something really cutesy or something, would you

6 maybe run and get the camera, take one of her?

7 PATSY RAMSEY: Of her in the

8 laundry room?

9 THOMAS HANEY: Uh-hum.

10 PATSY RAMSEY: No.





What photo is he talking about?Sounds very interesting and I didn't pay attention to it before.Must be something about it if he insists,right?

 

wow

That is a really interesting bit of questioning. Was there a photo of JBR, taken in the laundry area, found in the laundry area?

 

Strapping tape does come in black. There are websites devoted just to different types of tape. Who knew?

Someone agrees with us that it didn't look like duct tape:

12 LOU SMIT: And the duct tape, do you remember
13 if it was adhered all the way to her mouth?

14 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It wasn't really duct
15 tape, it was -- well I'm sure you've seen it. But
16 it was like black. It wasn't electrical tape. It
17 was kind of white, black, unusual tape, I thought.

The tape's oddity might explain why Fleet White ran back down to the cellar and picked up the tape and stared at it instead of guarding the basement door the way Arndt told him to.

 

No idea,I would like to know that as well.

And there's another part re some photos that I don't get,pretty weird....


25 TOM HANEY: Let's talk still about the

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1 120TET. Like I say, this was on your role of

2 film and it's not exactly the same photograph

3 that was taken by the police.

4 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).

5 TOM HANEY: But it's, it's, it shows --

6 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.

7 TOM HANEY: -- pretty much, I guess, or can

8 you tell me when that would have been taken?

9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't have a clue why

10 anybody would take a picture like that. I don't

11 know (inaudible). Who took the picture?

12 TOM HANEY: Well, it's on your roll --

13 PATSY RAMSEY: It's on my --

14 TOM HANEY: -- of film on your camera.

15 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.

16 TOM HANEY: And this legal pad that you --

17 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.

18 TOM HANEY: -- identified --

19 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.

20 TOM HANEY: -- do you know when that would

21 have been in that position?

22 PATSY RAMSEY: No. So this, this was taken

23 before photo one was?

24 TOM HANEY: Before the police photos.

25 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, okay. I don't know

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1 when this was taken, or why it was taken. I

2 mean, it's nothing.

3 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you recognize that pad, I

4 know it's (inaudible) photo?

5 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, but we had a lot of

6 those around. There was a picture in another

7 one. I think.

8 TRIP DeMUTH: Uh-huh (yes)

9 PATSY RAMSEY: I bought like those Office

10 Depot's or Office Max or whatever they are and I

11 usually kept a bunch of them, you know, kept

12 them over here, right around here in the

13 kitchen.

14 TRIP DeMUTH: By the telephone?

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, but, you know, they

16 float all over.

17 TRIP DeMUTH: So it wouldn't have been

18 unusual to be where it is?

19 PATSY RAMSEY: No. No. Gosh.

20 TOM HANEY: Just a second, okay?

21 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).

22 TOM HANEY: So would this particular note

23 pad be, belong to somebody in particular or --

24 PATSY RAMSEY: No, not necessarily.

25 TRIP DeMUTH: Now, what about the bag, the

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1 plastic bag?

2 PATSY RAMSEY: This one?

3 TRIP DeMUTH: No.

4 PATSY RAMSEY: This one?

5 TRIP DeMUTH: Uh-huh (yes).

6 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I don't know, I can't

7 tell what's in there, what it is.

8 TOM HANEY: Try, I don't know if that

9 helps?

10 PATSY RAMSEY: Do you remember what was in

11 that one?

12 TRIP DeMUTH: Remember we talked about a

13 plastic bag in photo 52.

14 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I mean, I had plastic

15 bags getting some things ready to go to the

16 lake.

17 TRIP DeMUTH: Right.

18 PATSY RAMSEY: You know, I was packing it

19 kind of on the landing up there.

20 TRIP DeMUTH: Right.

21 PATSY RAMSEY: And then we saw one down at

22 the bottom of the stairs.

23 TRIP DeMUTH: Right.

24 PATSY RAMSEY: And you said that picture

25 was taken early that morning.

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1 TRIP DeMUTH: Right.

2 PATSY RAMSEY: So that could have -- that

3 could have been the bag with the clothes going

4 to the lake and I could have brought it down and

5 saw the note, dropped the bag. But if this was

6 taken before that, then I don't know what's in

7 that bag. I don't know what that is. I can't

8 tell. I don't know.

9 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.

10 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know what was in

11 that one, either. I can't tell what that is.

12 It looks like there's writing on that, red.

13 TOM HANEY: Do you remember taking that

14 photograph?

15 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

16 TOM HANEY: Did you take photographs

17 Christmas morning?

18 PATSY RAMSEY: I think we took some stills,

19 yeah.

20 TOM HANEY: Okay.

21 PATSY RAMSEY: Could have been taken of the

22 kids unwrapping and things like that.

23 TOM HANEY: Did you take the photos or --

24 PATSY RAMSEY: I probably took some, John

25 probably took some.

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1 TOM HANEY: Did the kids take any?

2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Oh, I don't

3 know. That just seems really weird, unless

4 somebody was trying to get rid of film and just

5 (indicating) clicked anything. I can't imagine

6 why you just take a pictures of a messy hallway.

 

its weird alright

Patsy said it - it is weird. This will now drive me nuts! who had the camera and took those pictures? It sounds like there was a legal pad on one of the pictures and that pad was in a weird place and also some plastic bags (garbage bags?). Lots of info that obviously the public hasn't been told about.