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    Courts have inherent power to control courtroom behavior and to enforce court orders. Contempt of court occurs when someone disobeys a court order, shows disrespect for the judge, or disrupts judicial proceedings. There are two types of contempt--civil contempt and criminal contempt. In addition, contempt can be either direct (occurs in the judge's presence and disrupts court' proceedings) or indirect (occurs outside the immediate presence of the judge).

    Civil Contempt
    Civil contempt occurs when a person refuses to obey a court order. Civil contempt can be "purged" by obedience to the court order. A fine, confinement in jail, or both can be imposed for civil contempt. The sanctions are meant to coerce compliance with the court's order rather than to punish the person. If jailed, the person will be released from jail when he/she complies with court order. The failure to comply with an injunction (a court order directing a person to do or not do a certain act) can be civil contempt.

    Criminal Contempt
    Criminal contempt involves conduct that hinders or obstructs justice. Examples of criminal contempt include threatening or insulting a judge or witness and disobeying a subpoena to produce evidence. A trial attorney was held in criminal contempt for his disrespectful remarks to the judge in open court proceedings. With criminal contempt, the act of contempt has been completed and the contempt cannot be "purged." The punishment is imposed to vindicate the court's authority. Criminal contempt is punishable by a fine, jail, or both. The failure to comply with an injunction might constitute either criminal contempt or civil contempt, as noted above.

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    CONTEMPT OF COURT (CC) - FELONY OR MISDEMEANOR DIVISION
    When ordered by a judge.

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    Default John Ramsey Sealed Deposition

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    You guys have probably already seen this...I stumbled across it by accident. I am not about to post the contents of it, I wonder if the people responsible for this, got into any trouble. I will post the first part of it, before the depo. began.

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    1 I want to make sure that everybody in the room
    2 acknowledges that the court has ordered this deposition
    3 sealed and therefore the content of any testimony or
    4 activities within this room are to be maintained
    5 confidential.
    6 Is everybody in this room agreeable to abide by
    7 that order?
    8 MR. MORGAN: Yup.
    9 MR. CRAVER: I see nothing but affirmative nods.
    10 Nobody has indicated otherwise; is that correct?
    11 MR. HILL: That's correct.
    12 MR. CRAVER: Further, the parties have agreed
    13 that the information conveyed in this deposition as well
    14 as the content will remain confidential until ordered
    15 released by the court or released by agreement of John
    16 Ramsey through his counsel.
    17 MR. HILL: Correct.
    18 MR. CRAVER: And it is also agreed that these
    19 proceedings will not be commercially marketed without the
    20 agreement of John Ramsey.
    21 MR. HILL: Correct.
    22 MR. CRAVER: Everybody in the room understands
    23 that agreement?
    24 MR. MILES: Yes.
    25 MR. CRAVER: Within the parameters of those


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    1 agreements, I'll allow you to proceed, Mr. Hill.
    2 MR. HILL: Thank you.

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    Find of the Week/Month/Year by Daffodil from WS/Sycamore/Topix. I copied her post from Topix, I don't think she'll mind :-)

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    5. "Defending the Whites"
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    I know Fleet White has asked that his entire deposition be sealed as confidential - and I know we all wish we knew what was in it -- but I am going to defend him here...
    The way confidential statements get made public - the way some twist them by posting just bits and pieces out of context with other stuff.... I can see why Fleet would want to take as many quotes as he can out of the public forum. His public speeches and letters notwithstanding, I can see why he wouldn't want his statements to LE and lawyers made public.

    Oh the irony!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by J_R
    Maybe Colorado Babe or someone who lives near Boulder can check with the court and see if Fleets depo remains sealed or not. If not then there is much ado about nothing. If so then hirself should be in a heap of trouble.

    I know hirself is a code 6 wingnut but even Jammysue isn't stupid enough to post a sealed deposition - is s/he?
    JammySue is the type who thinks she can get away with anything. It wouldn't surprise me if she did this.
    But maybe the depo has already been unsealed and she enjoys leaving people in the unclear about it (see Jayelles' post on another thread).
    If it has been unsealed, the main reason for Jameson not providing this simple info probably was that she wanted to prevent others from getting their hands on the depo too and read ALL of it.

    Can't wait to get quick info from an official source whether the depo has been unsealed or not.
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    I hope it has been unsealed because I would find it very scary indeed if a country like the US which is regarded as a world leader, were unable to assure that assurances of confidentiality by a COURT no less remained so.

    That would be nothing short of corruption - something you wouldn't expect from professional people in a fine country like the USA.

    If this document remains sealed, then someone has to have given it to jameson knowing full and well that she has a history of selling case materials to tabloids for profit and of generally lying - i.e. that she is an individual who cannot be trusted (regardless of what she herself says).

    There are principles at stake here - those of individuals and those of the US justice system.

    I will watch with interest.

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    Edited to Add - looking at the dates...

    Fleet White was deposed in January 2002, jameson wasn't exposed for selling Ramsey materials to the tabloids until November 2002, so it's possible that she was provided with an illegal copy of Fleet White's deposition BEFORE it was discovered that she was selling to the tabloids for profit.

    She may have already cashed in on this. Courtesy of Candy at Topix:-

    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...QN8D3BS34SHGEC

    I finally got a copy of this article again. For those who never got to read it, key excerpts from the only article on the depo he is hiding:

    8/27/2002: The National Enquirer: JonBenet Murder Witness changes his story:

    "Some of the gaps in his memory were absolutely astonishing - and he threw a shroud of mystery over his own activities the day of the gruesome slaying."

    "Asked if he remembers finding a suitcase down there and moving it, he couldn't remember."

    "Asked if he remembers John Ramsey turning on a light switch in the room where JonBenet's body was found, he said he couldn't remember."

    "Asked if he read the ransom note left in the house that day, he couldn't remember.

    "Asked if he could remember the appearance of JonBenet's body, whether she had a heart drawn on one hand, or if he could recall John's reaction to finding the body, he couldn't."

    "About the only thing he could remember was his name!"

    ...But Denver criminal attorney Craig Silverman said a Judge would not look kindly on White's suffering a memory loss if the Wolf suit goes to trial and he's called to testify.

    "If he refuses to answer any questions, he could be held in contempt, Silverman told The Enquirer.

    "It might even be considered perjury if he takes it to the extreme, it's simply a lie that he doesn't know or can't recall."

    DON GENTILE
    How did Don Gentile know what was in that sealed depo in August 2002?

    One thing seems to be apparent here - *someone* in a position of trust is betraying that trust. Who had a copy of that sealed depo? We know Lin Wood did. In the quote I posted above, Lin Wood suggests that Darnay Hoffman did not buy copies of the depos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    I hope it has been unsealed because I would find it very scary indeed if a country like the US which is regarded as a world leader, were unable to assure that assurances of confidentiality by a COURT no less remained so.

    That would be nothing short of corruption - something you wouldn't expect from professional people in a fine country like the USA.

    If this document remains sealed, then someone has to have given it to jameson knowing full and well that she has a history of selling case materials to tabloids for profit and of generally lying - i.e. that she is an individual who cannot be trusted (regardless of what she herself says).

    There are principles at stake here - those of individuals and those of the US justice system.

    I will watch with interest.

    *************************
    Edited to Add - looking at the dates...

    Fleet White was deposed in January 2002, jameson wasn't exposed for selling Ramsey materials to the tabloids until November 2002, so it's possible that she was provided with an illegal copy of Fleet White's deposition BEFORE it was discovered that she was selling to the tabloids for profit.

    She may have already cashed in on this. Courtesy of Candy at Topix:-

    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...QN8D3BS34SHGEC



    How did Don Gentile know what was in that sealed depo in August 2002?

    One thing seems to be apparent here - *someone* in a position of trust is betraying that trust. Who had a copy of that sealed depo? We know Lin Wood did. In the quote I posted above, Lin Wood suggests that Darnay Hoffman did not buy copies of the depos.
    The penalty for posting a sealed document for all to see, is worse when the trial hasn't happened yet. JB's case...as you know..is still open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMES
    The penalty for posting a sealed document for all to see, is worse when the trial hasn't happened yet. JB's case...as you know..is still open.
    I wouldn't be susprised if this depo has indeed been unsealed. It would be entirely in keeping with what we know about jameson aka Susan Bennett for her to mislead everyone. Remember that in the early days of the Ramsey case she led people into believing that she was a male and by dropping insider information about the case into online discussions, she attracted a lot of attention to herself. Donald Foster even believed she was John Andrew Ramsey and that "he" was connected to the murder. How she enjoyed going on national TV and proving everyone "wrong".

    Personally, I'd be inclined to hold fire on her having committed a felony here, because her character is such that she is perfectly capable of playing along with that even if she hasn't.

    JMO.

    E2 says that if the depo IS still sealed then it isn't jameson who has committed the felony but the person who provided her with the depo in the first place. I agree that that person has broken the law and if he/she is in a position of trust then they have proved themselves unworthy of that position. However, it is patently clear that jameson has known from the outset that the depo was sealed by a court. If it is still sealed then she has leaked it knowing that to be the case. I think she could still be held accountable for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    Find of the Week/Month/Year by Daffodil from WS/Sycamore/Topix. I copied her post from Topix, I don't think she'll mind :-)
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    5. "Defending the Whites"
    In response to message #0

    I know Fleet White has asked that his entire deposition be sealed as confidential - and I know we all wish we knew what was in it -- but I am going to defend him here...
    The way confidential statements get made public - the way some twist them by posting just bits and pieces out of context with other stuff.... I can see why Fleet would want to take as many quotes as he can out of the public forum. His public speeches and letters notwithstanding, I can see why he wouldn't want his statements to LE and lawyers made public.
    [Daffodil]:
    Oh the irony!!
    Brilliant
    Brilliant indeed. What a gem - fantastic find by Daffodil!
    It would be great if this excellent poster would register here on FFJ too.

    Again Jameson has been exposed as a scam artist. Checkmate, Jammy Sue!


    A question re Jameson: when she sold the police interviews to the National Enquirer, was this an illegal act too? If yes, was she sued?
    Who gave her the interviews?
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    I have asked her flat out if the depo was unsealed or not, no reply so far.

    On a side note - the bonus meltdown of Candy almost makes this worth it, but then again, I can't write off Darney's possible involvment even though Smit and Lin are the likely culprits.
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    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat
    I have asked her flat out if the depo was unsealed or not, no reply so far.

    On a side note - the bonus meltdown of Candy almost makes this worth it, but then again, I can't write off Darney's possible involvment even though Smit and Lin are the likely culprits.
    But according to Lin Wood in Gideon Epstein's depo, Darnay didn't buy the depositions. Wood had a real go at him for that. Of course Darnay might have bought them after that.

    ETA - she's not going to answer your question. This is a big game to her. I bet she has a good laugh everytime someone asks her. I bet it sounds like this:-

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_R
    Maybe Colorado Babe or someone who lives near Boulder can check with the court and see if Fleets depo remains sealed or not. If not then there is much ado about nothing. If so then hirself should be in a heap of trouble.

    I know hirself is a code 6 wingnut but even Jammysue isn't stupid enough to post a sealed deposition - is s/he?

    I second this idea! Please, Colorado Babe.
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