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    "At the same time, lawyers are notorious whores in ANY country."

    Ok, now you're walkin' a thin line, YumYum...Not all are notorious!

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    ... LOL, DejaNu!

    Lawyers ... As a breed ... (like pitbulls) ... are given to certain tendencies.

    I was considering a career in 'TheLaw' at one point whilst at MSU (Candy's digs). I spent a great deal of time in courts ... watching and talking with attorneys and judges. Without exception, ALL had confessed to sacrificing their ideals to "practicallity". Success was NOT Justice ... it was WINNING. And in many cases, that meant winning at ANY COST.

    It was very disillusioning. Without exception ... ALL, at times, sacrificed their clients to 'practical' plea bargains. Likewise, ALL busted their asses to get other GUILTY clients off scott free if there were dollars or prestige to be garnered. Justice was LOST.

    I saw idealistic people ... friends who I respected ... I saw them gradually succumb to whatever was in THEIR best career interests rather than what was in the best interest of Justice.

    The sad part ... and the reason that I opted out ... was that I KNEW that I would succumb to the same pressures. The pressures are HUGE ... to compete ... to win ... or prosper ... or ALL. That almost ALWAYS meant weighing what was in the attorney's best career interest.

    Sure ... there were SOME isolated cases where moral conviction was preeminent. And there were a LOT of pro bono interests. But as attorneys got longer and longer in the tooth, those cases were just a means of retaining a glimmer of self respect.

    TheLaw is a DogEatDog world ... and self interest was almost ALWAYS the Victor. It's a cruel sport.

    Mind you ... many of my friends were .. ARE ... BRILLIANT. And they entered the fray with the BEST of intentions ... and ALL gave away fragment after fragment of their ideals ... of themselves along the way.

    Sure ... we've ALL seen courtroom heroics. I HONESTLY get choked up whenever I see it. But that is the exception to the rule.

    It's the nature of the beast ... TheLaw is a meatgrinder.

    A few ... a very, very few ... are strong enough to hold onto themselves ... their ideals ... Justice.


    The very simple FACT is that, TheLaw has very little to do with TRU JUSTICE. That's why Darkies are jailed for LIFE for THREE non-violent car thefts, while corporate PREDATORS receive MINIMAL sentences (at worst) for stealing MILLION$.


    I WILL say this ... birds of a feather tend to flock together ... and those truly COMMITTED to JUSTICE tend to unite. But they are few and far between. For every YOU, there are three dozen who are in an almost constant migration to the DarkSide.


    Some ... who have gained some success and independence ... will return to their roots as they age ... become secure. But how much damage has been done?


    TheLaw is a harsh ... VERY harsh world. I do NOT ... and I repeat ... I DO NOT believe that Lawyers are naturally corrupt, or immoral. But I have SEEN that slippery slope ... and it is sooooOOooo severe a slope that few in this field of superior intellect survive the climb without sacrificing JUSTICE for something "simpler".

    I have the UTMOST respect for those who wade into the melee with the best of intention ... and even MORE respect for those who make the trek without faltering. You are GODS!

    But ... TheLaw ... TheLaw is a meatgrinder. Few make the summit ... and even fewer make the summit without leaving corpses in their paths.


    I think that I might have made a decent Lawyer ... IF it was ONLY about JUSTICE. But that ain't reality. It became clear to ME that I ... ME ... MOI ... couldn't play this game ... under the rules in play. And I wasn't willing to do that.

    ... and I admit that I took the coward's way out. I chose NOT to buck that system. I chose a route that I could succeed at withoiut wasting away.


    DejaNu ... I THANK YOU!!!

    ... you ... and Ginja ... and your ILK are genuine HEROes!


    We need MORE like YOU ... but that is just UnReasonable. The SYSTEM takes the best and brightest among us and turns them AGAINST the interest of JUSTICE.


    Thanks for being here, DejaNu. You are worth your weight in the most valuable stuff that we have.


    ...YumYum
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    Here is the report of a big German newspaper. I translated it in English as good as I could. You can see, that this case also hit (with not all facts correct) Europe. Ten years ago. And also now.
    Here is the source/original report: http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,432128,00.html

    Death of a 6 year old beauty-queen
    Police catch the killer – after 10 years

    For 10 years the murder of the 6 year old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey bothered the Americans. Now it seems that the case is solved. The Thai Officials arrested a suspect.

    San Francisco – It’s the 26 th of December 1996. Patsy Ramsey, the mother of small JonBenet, which won lots of prizes in Child Beauty Contests, informed the police about the kidnapping of her little daughter. She seemed to have found a ransom note, that the kidnappers want the amount of 118.000 USD.

    A few hours later the death body of the girl was found – in a small room in the cellar of her parents house in Boulder in Colorado. The mouth of the small Miss is taped, on the right wrist of her hands a rope is hanging. The Autopsy says: The girl died after a hit with a blunt object against her head. Under her fingernails the Police detected DNA, but was unable to match it.

    During the 10 years of investigation also the parents were suspects. But they said, that an inruder entered their house and killed JonBenet. JonBenets mother died with cancer this June in the age of 49.

    Now the Thai Officials announced, that they have found the Killer of small JonBenet in Bangkok. The 41 year old man seemed to have confessed to be responsible for the death of this child. But he claimed, that the death was an accident. In a short time he should be brought to the United States.

    Discussion about Beauty Contests

    The Police said, that Karr landed in Thailand not long ago – he was looking for a job as an English teacher. “A lot of criminals come to Thailand to work here as teachers for several languages” the Chiefinvestigator Suwat Tumroungsiskul said. “They are very dangerous!” Only a few days ago there was an arrest warrant given against that suspect because of kidnapping, sexual molestation and murder. Together with the agents of the FBI the Thai investigators were behind him.

    The murder of JonBenet Ramsey leaded the Americans in great discussions over the years about Child Beauty Contests. For about months the US TV Stations showed films how the blonde, blue-eyed JonBenet in sexy Outfits, with make up and lavish gestures danced in front of the cameras. The Critizizers meant that these Contents were close to child pornography. Around 500.000 children join every year these Beauty Contests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LurkerXIV
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    Nancy Grace call the studio!
    Arrest to be made in JonBenet Ramsey case

    August 16, 2006

    This report will be updated

    MSNBC and CBS Radio are reporting there will be an arrest made in the 1996 death of JonBenet Ramsey.

    MSNBC reported her father, John Ransey, was told to expect an arrest in the case shortly.

    Denver TV station KUSA reports that a suspect arrested in Bankok, Thailand, has confessed to certain elements of the crime
    I just watched CNN, saw and heard John Mark Carr say that JonBenet's death was an accident, and that he loved her. He looked very startled,and I am reminded of another sick individual being interviewed, Gary Oliva. Like the legal analyst ln CNN stated, we have to wait and see what develops.

    How could this 42 year old have had access to JonBenét Ramsey before. without Patsy knowing anything about it. We don't know enough yet.
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    Nickii:



    The Police said, that Karr landed in Thailand not long ago – he was looking for a job as an English teacher. “A lot of criminals come to Thailand to work here as teachers for several languages” the Chiefinvestigator Suwat Tumroungsiskul said. “They are very dangerous!” Only a few days ago there was an arrest warrant given against that suspect because of kidnapping, sexual molestation and murder. Together with the agents of the FBI the Thai investigators were behind him.

    The murder of JonBenet Ramsey leaded the Americans in great discussions over the years about Child Beauty Contests. For about months the US TV Stations showed films how the blonde, blue-eyed JonBenet in sexy Outfits, with make up and lavish gestures danced in front of the cameras. The Critizizers meant that these Contents were close to child pornography. Around 500.000 children join every year these Beauty Contests.
    Thank you for posting this, Nickii. Who knows how many more we'll hear about, but the facts have to fit, don't they?
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    Cool How Convenient.

    Of course, he's lying.

    My first thought was how are they going to reconcile the fact that PR penned the ransom note (most likely), as well as other evidence.

    The news is all over this, UFB!!

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    @elle
    Of course. The facts have to fit. These whole new thing sounds totally weird to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YumYum012
    I'll say it for Tylin ... Them's two tasty WestVirginnie porkbellies!

    Contest: Count the CHINS. Closest to the correct answer wins a copy of the TurdMistress' play. The loser gets TWO copies.

    ...YumYum
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    Hey Nickii and Sara. Crazy times, huh? Tracy has been warming up for this performance for years with the other various scams he has whipped up, I just hope that this time, he has bit off more than he can chew.

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    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

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    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickii
    @elle
    Of course. The facts have to fit. These whole new thing sounds totally weird to me.
    It has our attention, it will be running on CNN 24/7 for quite a long time. Just think of all the interviews John Mark Carr has to go through, CNN will be very happy.
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    I think you mean Oliva, Elle, as Helgoth was long dead before anybody ever heard his name. I agree that this guy has that same deer-in-the-headlights look as Oliva. What kind of crazy is he? He got away with this murder for a decade...and now he's confessing on international TV? But...no details, please. Ha! Insane. An accident? MORE INSANE!

    And again, if Keenan has the goods, WHY WASN'T SHE TALKING TO THE PRESS YESTERDAY? This case is a feeding frenzy. What does she think she's up to now? MORE MISINFORMATION AND DISINFORMATION, LIES AND DECEIT. Just what this case needs! Way to go, Keenan! BS!

    Great post, Yum Yum. Of course, you're right. I think that's what this case has taught us. If the Ramseys had just gone to the BPD and helped LE immediately, instead of hiding behind lawyers who treated them like criminals, and who mowed down anyone and everyone who got in the way of protecting them as guilty clients, they'd never have come off as guilty, would they?

    But how many people is it going to take, how many ruined lives and broken hearts, before the truth about this murder sees the light of day?

    Spinspinspinspin.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Nu
    "At the same time, lawyers are notorious whores in ANY country."

    Ok, now you're walkin' a thin line, YumYum...Not all are notorious!
    Hello Deja,

    Nice to see you back here again. Are you still busy?
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