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    Dear ZMAN and all:

    I have not been as interested in this case as are apparently many of you here are. I didn't realize beforehand there were such things as pro- or anti-Ramsey family camps and forums; except, of course, among those with a personal connection and emotional involvement. Truth is all that matters in such a case.

    Of course I want to think the Ramseys innocent. They lost their daughter in a horrible manner. Why would anyone want them also to be guilty of her murder? Anyone disagree? Still, I--or no one--should let that quite natural sentiment influence an objective airing and examination of the known facts.

    Discourse on this issue should be made along strictly rational and logical grounds, and civilly. I perosnally have absolutely nothing to gain by advancing my theory, or by being right or wrong. How many of you are any different?

    Could I be wrong? Yes. I believe that only one person living knows for sure, as the boy might well have been asleep and knows nothing more than what his parents told him. Unless, of course, the intruder theory is correct.

    You could be wrong as well. Let's all keep that in mind.

  2. #38

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    Oy vey... Daniel, you pointed the finger at a pageant parent being the killer but you still haven't answered my question: How would a pageant parent know about the $118.000? How would a pageant parent know what time the Rams would be home, or what time they would be asleep?

    Really, this is going nowhere fast.
    Occam's Razor... "One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything."

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    Hi Wenchie, did you post at WS?

    Not only did John pace he went upstairs and looked into the alley with binoculars and saw a STRANGE van.

    After watching it for a few minutes (not sure what exactly John was looking for) he decided...MONITORING THREATENING KIDNAPPERS couldn't possibly be in the van. John was sooooooo sure of this he neglected to tell the cops to check out the STRANGE van. (From DOI, the Ramseys own book.)

    Yet John wanted to cordone off the city of Boulder!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel XVI
    Dear ZMAN and all:

    I have not been as interested in this case as are apparently many of you here are. I didn't realize beforehand there were such things as pro- or anti-Ramsey family camps and forums; except, of course, among those with a personal connection and emotional involvement. Truth is all that matters in such a case.

    Of course I want to think the Ramseys innocent. They lost their daughter in a horrible manner. Why would anyone want them also to be guilty of her murder? Anyone disagree? Still, I--or no one--should let that quite natural sentiment influence an objective airing and examination of the known facts.

    Discourse on this issue should be made along strictly rational and logical grounds, and civilly. I perosnally have absolutely nothing to gain by advancing my theory, or by being right or wrong. How many of you are any different?

    Could I be wrong? Yes. I believe that only one person living knows for sure, as the boy might well have been asleep and knows nothing more than what his parents told him. Unless, of course, the intruder theory is correct.

    You could be wrong as well. Let's all keep that in mind.
    Patsy was on the phone, John was reading the note on his hands and knees by the spiral stairs....they were apart by at least 10 feet.

    Man that Patsy must have some eyesight!

    Daniel why do you think John let Patsy call over the Whites, then the Fernies, Father Rol and who else....when the note told John he was being MONITORED by kidnappers who would behead his daughter if he so much as talked to a stray dog?

    Man that John is sharp! Heck, he only needed to avoid inviting stray dogs over, monitoring kidnappers surely wouldn't mind a few other guests over...just NO DOGS ALLOWED.

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    Show Me - Daniel why do you think John let Patsy call over the Whites, then the Fernies, Father Rol and who else....when the note told John he was being MONITORED by kidnappers who would behead his daughter if he so much as talked to a stray dog?

    One of the things that has bothered me ever since I began following this case is the above and the 911 call. I worked for defense contractors for over 30 years - they had terrorism protocols long before 9/11. I was stunned that JR disregarded the orders of what could have been terrorist by calling all those people to his house, did not call company security who probably would have called the FBI not BPD, and allowed Patsy to call 911 and have the police come to the front door of their house being "monitored." I was not an executive of the companies I worked for, but I would have done none of the things JR did.

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    Dear Ploppy:

    My contention of what likely happened constitutes just one piece of a much larger puzzle. The logistical aspects of how an intruder could have made his or her way into the Ramsey house is much better left to experts like Lou Smit, whom I disagree with regarding motive and regarding his stun gun part of his theory.

    Once again, I am contending the killer was motivated by a personal grievance, the exact nature of which one could only speculate upon. As to whom would have known of the $118,00 figure, besides those with access to that information at his business, who knows whom either might have confided that information to. This is why I say I would suggest the police look closer to the family rather than further. This sort of venom points to someone close, or once close. "It is always easier to hate where one has once loved, than to remain indifferent."

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    Thank you EasyWriter!

    Why is it the RST or Ramsey fans refuse to look at the truth...even when it come from the Ramsey's own words?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel XVI
    Dear ZMAN and all:

    You could be wrong as well. Let's all keep that in mind.
    I’ve had my bromide for the day and not at all interested in
    abstract, “you could be wrong.” Wrong about what? Until you
    address this, there is nothing but evasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow
    Show Me - Daniel why do you think John let Patsy call over the Whites, then the Fernies, Father Rol and who else....when the note told John he was being MONITORED by kidnappers who would behead his daughter if he so much as talked to a stray dog?

    One of the things that has bothered me ever since I began following this case is the above and the 911 call. I worked for defense contractors for over 30 years - they had terrorism protocols long before 9/11. I was stunned that JR disregarded the orders of what could have been terrorist by calling all those people to his house, did not call company security who probably would have called the FBI not BPD, and allowed Patsy to call 911 and have the police come to the front door of their house being "monitored." I was not an executive of the companies I worked for, but I would have done none of the things JR did.
    Hi yah Shadow! I love your posts.

    For an sharp CEO John sure was careless when it came to JonBenet's life.

    Unless he already knew where JonBenet was.

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    Me too Easywriter.....is someone hungry yet?

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    Already said what could have happened to the other pages - torn and flushed or burned and flushed. Why would someone like PR leave the so-called practice note? Maybe she intended to rid of it when she finished the mother of all ransom notes and forgot about it. Who says JR was involved? I don't think anyone but the killer/killers and of course a higher authority knows exactly who did what. Most crimes and cover-ups are not perfect. Why should anyone expect this one to make perfect sense.

    Daniel - you conjecture that someone attempted to frame the Rams - I think they could have done a better job. After all, the Rams have never been charged with anything. Maybe someone was pointing a finger at a Ramsey. Another Ramsey maybe.

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    For that matter, Det. Thomas makes much of the fact that Mrs. Ramsey had on the same dress, when friends and then the police arrived, she had had on the night before when the family was at the house of close friends for Christmas, by way of incriminating her. (The implication seems to be that she had never gone to bed that night.) Where were the blood stains on her dress?
    Patsy nor JBR wore a dress. And the crimescene was not bloody.JBR's murder was not a bloody one.

    FWIW-I'm responding as I'm scrolling down this thread so excuse me if this has been discussed already.



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