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  1. #61

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    Well, after all Sabrina, it's not as if this could possibly be of more importance to the investigation as somone's used underwear!

    Little

  2. #62

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    Little, that would depend on what part of the country you're from! LOL

  3. #63

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    Deja Nu wrote:
    Little, that would depend on what part of the country you're from! LOL
    Thanks Deja - that clears that up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sue
    Glad to help add puzzle pieces.

    Now, I guess to be "fair" to the Ramseys, I should point out that they may have had some perfectly legitimate, innocent reason for removing the dolls. Like, maybe they wanted the dolls to be part of a display for her memorial service or they buried one with her. But, if that's the case, there should be some people who can testify (or maybe even some pictures to show) that the doll(s) were present at the memorial service.
    To be fair you state (?). I strongly disagree with you. Not one item should have been removed from the Ramsey home. It was a crime scene. Nothing is removed from a crime scene. The Ramseys were allowed to remove many items. This was wrong. The Ramseys were given too much leniency here. They had a nerve asking for items from their home after their daughter had been found dead, and the house declared a crime scene, complete with the yellow tape which warns the public it has been cordoned off.
    elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
    Just my opinion.

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    Yep, I totally agree, Elle. So much for not wanting to interfere with a criminal investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1
    To be fair you state (?). I strongly disagree with you. Not one item should have been removed from the Ramsey home. It was a crime scene. Nothing is removed from a crime scene. The Ramseys were allowed to remove many items. This was wrong. The Ramseys were given too much leniency here. They had a nerve asking for items from their home after their daughter had been found dead, and the house declared a crime scene, complete with the yellow tape which warns the public it has been cordoned off.
    There is nothing you wrote that I disagree with. That's why I put "fair" in quotes. The Ramsey family has basically called anything that is not seen their way "unfair persecution" of them. They can do it to other people (DOI is full of things that they would be labeling "unfair persecution" if it was said about them, but they seem to think they can say whatever they want).

    I think from the time of the 911 call on, it was not handled correctly. Does anyone know if the 911 operator tried to call them back after Patsy hung up? (I need to go back and re-read PMPT)
    In other situations I've heard of, if the call ends (especially without the person on the calling end saying goodbye), 911 would call back to see why the phone was hung up. What an interesting 911 recording that would have been!
    I do see that the family might have asked to have some things from their home for the memorial service, (I can't see denying a family the right to bury their child with her favorite stuffed toy, even if they were responsible for her death), BUT anything taken out should have been on a list of specific items that they submitted to have removed. The item(s) should also have been collected by the police, examined, photographed, and checked over firts/determined if they were important to the investigation by the investigators. You don't just let outside people traipse all over your crime scene. And, it appears more than one person - since the quote from DOI, page 40 that LurkerXIV posted indicated the Priscilla White somehow get ahold of the correct stuffed cat:
    Quote Originally Posted by LurkerXIV
    "Suddenly my friend Priscilla White rushed in. She and Fleet had found Sister Socks, a stuffed kitten that was so dear to JonBenet. I couldn't believe that Priscilla had the gray-a-white cat. I had asked to have the toy brought from the house in Boulder, but the stuffed animal that was given to us earlier was the wrong one. Priscilla knew that, and somehow, even though she was now in Atlanta, she had gotten hold of the right Sister socks, the one with the red ribbon around it's neck. I tucked Sister Socks under JonBenet's right arm."

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    A poster at WS pointed this out about the items inside the coffin:-

    S carf
    B racelet
    T iara
    C ross

    Spooky.
    This is my opinion and it may not be copied in whole or in part without my written permission

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    Oh, now they are saying money orders can be traced.

    But that's only to where they were purchased and deposited. Not WHO purchased it.

    Anyone can walk off the street and buy a money order at a 7/11 with cash. No I.D. necessary. Can say it's from Donald Duck.

    I don't know if this doll thing means anything, but it certainly should have been looked into. IF someone sent it to JonBenet at Access Graphics as a hoax, I would think that would be VERY significant to those believing in the intruder theory. Why wouldn't John notify the authorities about this? It could have come from the "real killer"....history has shown that "real" killers often will torment the victims' families and send letters, trophies,symbols, etc. So WHY wouldn't John have reported this if he did not order it?

    The absence of cord or duct tape in the home does not mean that it was brought in and taken out by an intruder. Anyone who thinks this is "evidence" pointing to an intruder has a screw loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrina
    Oh, now they are saying money orders can be traced.

    But that's only to where they were purchased and deposited. Not WHO purchased it.

    Anyone can walk off the street and buy a money order at a 7/11 with cash. No I.D. necessary. Can say it's from Donald Duck.
    I've bought enough money orders in my life to be able to say with certainty that a money order can't be tied directly back to the purchaser. No ID is asked for and you are required to pay with cash (they don't want to take a chance that you are paying for the money order with a bad check or stollen credit card). There is a place to put in the name of the person it is payable to (in this case, it would have been payable to American Girl).
    They would be able to trace what store it came from and probably from the cash register record, when it was bought (I haven't bought one for a while, but I remember some other step - like maybe a book they logged in the sale too), but since it was a cash sale, nothing else. They could probably look at security video if it was a few days after the fact, but I think most places record over those after 24 hours or so if they didn't know of a reason to save them longer.
    I don't know if this doll thing means anything, but it certainly should have been looked into. IF someone sent it to JonBenet at Access Graphics as a hoax, I would think that would be VERY significant to those believing in the intruder theory. Why wouldn't John notify the authorities about this? It could have come from the "real killer"....history has shown that "real" killers often will torment the victims' families and send letters, trophies,symbols, etc. So WHY wouldn't John have reported this if he did not order it?
    Yes, I would think it was very strange no matter who sent it.
    The absence of cord or duct tape in the home does not mean that it was brought in and taken out by an intruder. Anyone who thinks this is "evidence" pointing to an intruder has a screw loose.
    Yes, maybe what was used in the crime was all that was in the house, so there was none brought in and none left.

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    I was trying to get up to speed on things and found a post by Little on page one on this thread (
    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...ead.php?t=5481 )
    that is really creepy when combined with the information about the dolls:

    Quote Originally Posted by little
    Moab,

    I have been re-reading some articles since you posed this question. I didnít find any answers to your question, however, I did find some items of interest (to me at least).

    Quote from source: http://63.147.65.175/news/jonaff3.htm
    2) The body of JonBenet Ramsey
    3) Any and all writing paper or pads, lined and white in color.
    4) Any and all examples of handwriting found in the home.
    5)Any felt-type writing utensil with black ink.

    (Line blacked out)

    5) Light colored cloth string type material
    6)Shoes or clothing missing drawstrings or shoestring
    7)The curtilage of the home including the garage, the vehicles in the garage and outbuildings for footprints and physical evidence of intruders.

    (Attached was a copy of the handwritten note found by Mrs. Ramsey.

    (Also attached was a list of items removed from the home, including the body, material found on the body, clothing and a blanket, fibers and objects from the room where the body was found and elsewhere in the basement, pads of paper, pens and markers, the note, hair and fibers from JonBenet's and her parents' rooms, bedding, pieces of a broken window, the note and many other household objects.)
    End quote

    The warrant listed cord such as draw strings from pants and shoe laces. This is quite a difference from the rope that Lou Smit tries to pitch in his CTV commercial. Things that irritate the heck out of me: no one made a public statement that this was misleading at best, but in my opinion a deceitful tactic condoned by people who should be held to a higher standard. .....
    If they were looking for drawstring or shoe lace cord, that is very similar to the type of cord used in the dolls. I would call it, light colored string-like material if someone asked me to give a very complete description of it. That would also make me think the cord is not completely flat (like decorative braid) because I don't think they would have been looking for drawstring or shoelace then. They would have described it as flat (definately not as "string type").
    If there was more than one doll, each doll could "provide" about 20 inches+ of cord. I'm not going to test this by taking the string out of my dolls, but I don't think the head would fall off if the string was removed, as long as you could keep the cloth around the dolls neck tight (maybe with the dolls clothing or a small piece of duct tape).

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    I can't search for the word "wig" because a 3 letter word is too short, but I remember reading about police interviews where they asked about wigs.
    What do we know about the wig?

    One thing I can tell you about America Girl dolls is that most people think of dolls with rooted nylon hair. These dolls have high quality hair on a wig base that is glued onto their heads. The hair used in their wigs is the same trype used in synthetic wigs made for humans, very fine - not particularly shiny. If you just had a hair, I think it would not be possible to distinguish this doll wig hair from a wig made for humans. They have long hair, but the ones with bangs would also have short hairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    A poster at WS pointed this out about the items inside the coffin:-

    S carf
    B racelet
    T iara
    C ross

    Spooky.


    OMG! That is beyond spooky!!!!!!!!!!!
    ::shocked2



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